President Windowlickers letter to Rubika

[______________Luxxan]

Steve Sandfield is not a TAG reporter. TAG is an independent publication and has yet to release their article on the events. Steve Sandfield is a reporter for the Rubi-Ka Times, which is the chief Omni-Tek Rubi-Ka news publication. I'm sure Ross himself starts off each morning reading it's headlines.

Coincidentally, I was talking to Mr. Sandfield, whom I have great respect for, just as Crazypostman (http://community.anarchy-online.com/...e/crazypostman) came to me in whatever order he was picking clan delegates to slaughter.

[______________>Cifi<]

OOC: I don't think combat is shown in logs.

[Windowlicker]

Combat is NOT shown in logs.

What is shown in logs, would be such things as me announcing I was leaving.

Which I did.

What every member of First Order knows, is that for an activity to be condoned and supported by our guild, it must be voted on AT A MEETING.

I'm not denying something happened at the conference.


Something obviously did.


What I am denying is that it was something organized by First Order. From my understanding from what YOU are all telling me, no one is completely sure what happened.

Not only this, but I have gotten diffrent names for who is "responsible" for whatever happened.

You can't seriously tell me Detonate took out Snarf. Anyone can look up BOTH characters and see why.

Detonate isn't even level 90. Snarf? .. almost 160.


So you'll forgive me if I don't belive that.


We are very strict within our org, and we adhere to omni policy's to the letter. If we do in fact have renegade members, they will be delt with.

For me to deal with these members, I require proof. And the proof must be consistant proof.


Not proof that continues to waver, and change .. and be modified.


You people have to supply me with ONE story, and ONE outcome. Not a cornacopia of diffrent situations.

What am I to do? .. kick the whole guild? Don't be silly.


We deal with misbehaving members internally quite fine, but for me to establish who needs to be punished, I need a solid story.


And for right now, what I know of the entire event, was that I was escorted OUT of the area. Which I announced.


So please, feel free to "let me in" on what happened. Sooner or later I may actually figure out what people are trying to tell me.


But as of now, our org did *not* authorize such an action. And we did *not* pass this by the guild during a meeting. So these actions where NOT on behalf of First Order.


You can see why I might not jump on every nick people spit out. It dosn't make sense for me to kick people out, or punish them internally without a good case against them.


From my standpoint, Detonate for example was present to escort me out of the zone. So I have a hard time seeing him as a part of this.

You all must also realize, the second ANY clan member opens fire.. our members are under STRICT orders to return fire.


An order to Amnesty is not an order to take a bullet.


I have posted in the past, letters explaining our patrols. Explaining our defensive stance.

We have made it our mission to repel those that would see this Amnesty fail. And as such have spoken out in public to support this Amnesty.


Those who know us, know us well.

[Windowlicker]

I might also state:

/ooc on

Any idiot with a logfile can see that conference was a setup. Those questions posed by TAG where "from the crowd". BS.

BS because that reporter grilled me with his OWN questions. Questions NOT from the crowd. Unfounded questions, that where designed to hurt our org. And he was definatly out to destroy our name.

LOOK AT YOUR LOGFILES.

Look at our homepage, and read our entire history of news.

Speak to the guilds we have interacted with.

Speak to every org that has ever approached us to sign a treaty or pact.


Our support and desire to BE omni, and to see omni Prevail dominates our entire guild.


./ooc off.

[_____________Truwind]

/ooc

Burn you traitor!

=)

[______________Luxxan]

To the Dark Carnival's credit, I did not see any members attack any clan members at the conference or later during the ensuing chaos. This is not to say that it didn't happen, just that I didn't see it. I did, however, see First Order members attacking other clan members, including me, unprovoked both during the conference and later during the chaos after the assassinations.

As for Snarf being killed by Detonate, consider that Snarf did not retaliate or react in any way. He simply sat there and let himself be killed. It doesn't take much fire power to kill an unreactant and peaceful opponent; but then, I'm sure many Omni are quite familiar with this principle. Regardless, I've heard that more than just Detonate attacked him, and if you read the logs, you can clearly see someone commanding a metaphysics incarnation to attack just about the time when people begin yelling that Snarf was being killed. Detonate is not a metaphysicist, so obviously there were others involved.

[Windowlicker]

Originally posted by Luxxan
To the Dark Carnival's credit, I did not see any members attack any clan members at the conference or later during the ensuing chaos. This is not to say that it didn't happen, just that I didn't see it. I did, however, see First Order members attacking other clan members, including me, unprovoked both during the conference and later during the chaos after the assassinations.

As for Snarf being killed by Detonate, consider that Snarf did not retaliate or react in any way. He simply sat there and let himself be killed. It doesn't take much fire power to kill an unreactant and peaceful opponent; but then, I'm sure many Omni are quite familiar with this principle. Regardless, I've heard that more than just Detonate attacked him, and if you read the logs, you can clearly see someone commanding a metaphysics incarnation to attack just about the time when people begin yelling that Snarf was being killed. Detonate is not a metaphysicist, so obviously there were others involved.

So why don't you compile a list, and give it to me then.

Instead of just random people dropping random names.

How about I start picking off your org members randomly and giving their names to you as criminals?

They where there as well.


How do I know they didn't instigate this?



And to think Detonate could take out Snarf is laughable. If he tried .. by the time Snarf fell, there would not only be a million screenshots .. but Detonate would be dead.


Why?


Because people would defend Snarf. That's why the guards where present.

[______________Luxxan]

I will look into that list for you. I know that at the time there were at least two leaders who were compiling a list of all the attackers while it was happening. I regret that it wasn't posted immediately along with the accusations. I will check into it, though, and see if those people can give me the lists or post them themselves. In the meantime, I'm going to go ahead and post a portion of the log of the Clan Leaders comm channel during the initial attack. I am taking a great liberty in doing this, so I hope you appreciate the significance.

Please note that I was never able to determine who "Boris" was...the person who killed Ulakai.

23:18: [Clan leaders] Snarf: dead
23:19: [Clan leaders] Ulakai: I was attacked by Boris at the meeting
23:19: [Clan leaders] Luxxan: Omni opened fire?
23:19: [Clan leaders] Tricia50: Folks, GET SCREENSHOTS.
23:19: [Clan leaders] Ulakai: Please let this be known
23:19: [Clan leaders] Snarf: heroin darkghosty corgan nadger greencross
23:19: [Clan leaders] Tricia50: Try to get names.
23:19: [Clan leaders] Windie: what the hell was that?
23:19: [Clan leaders] Lorekeep: Bull ****ing ****.
23:19: [Clan leaders] Ulakai: Boris attacked and killed me
23:19: [Clan leaders] Lorekeep: Crazypostman
23:19: [Clan leaders] Munnin: ambush at the meeting?
23:19: [Clan leaders] Snarf: polgra tauceti5 nadger omni-pol peacekeepr CLOUD
23:19: [Clan leaders] Canary: Heh, just as I was thinking of coming.
23:19: [Clan leaders] Ulakai: I am calling my clan
23:19: [Clan leaders] Snarf: i was attacked by at least 15 people
23:19: [Clan leaders] Munnin: damn
23:20: [Clan leaders] Munnin: ere are u guys holding it at?
23:20: [Clan leaders] Ulakai: ok thats it
23:20: [Clan leaders] Windie: well you might be a little pwourd that they planned to kill you
23:20: [Clan leaders] Snarf: yes, this was obviously a coordinated attack
23:20: [Clan leaders] Canary: pwourd?
23:20: [Clan leaders] Windie: hey get uster to EMT you back
23:20: [Clan leaders] Ulakai: iam calling in the clan isuugest you guys do the same that was out of order
23:20: [Clan leaders] Lorekeep: Why?
23:20: [Clan leaders] Lorekeep: So I can get killed again?
23:20: [Clan leaders] Snarf: lore was killed too?
23:20: [Clan leaders] Windie: oh they got you too?
23:20: [Clan leaders] Ulakai: Boris attacked me for no reason
23:20: [Clan leaders] Lorekeep: Yes!
23:20: [Clan leaders] Munnin: where are ya guys at lol im not the strongest but ill lend a hand
23:20: [Clan leaders] Lorekeep: Crazypostman killed me.
23:21: [Clan leaders] Lorekeep: Just ran right up and attacked.
23:21: [Clan leaders] Windie: caid?
23:21: [Clan leaders] Ulakai: Boris i want his name known
23:21: [Clan leaders] Snarf: holy gankage batman
23:21: [Clan leaders] Voyevode: what else could you expect?
23:21: [Clan leaders] Snarf: also shubalubdub
23:21: [Clan leaders] Lorekeep: Clansmen in the area are getting killed.
23:21: [Clan leaders] Tricia50: Make a list of aggressors, we'll publicize them.
23:21: [Clan leaders] Luxxan: Dead
23:21: [Clan leaders] Ulakai: Boris for a start
23:21: [Clan leaders] Lorekeep: First ORder.
23:21: [Clan leaders] Dmaul006: Location?
23:21: [Clan leaders] Luxxan: Funny part is I was killed by an Omni Peacekeeper
23:21: [Clan leaders] Ulakai: First order
23:22: [Clan leaders] Munnin: hehe
23:22: [Clan leaders] Luxxan: Even though all I did was run
23:22: [Clan leaders] Dmaul006: Location?
23:22: [Clan leaders] Lorekeep: First oRder was responsible.
23:22: [Clan leaders] Tricia50: Make a list.
23:22: [Clan leaders] Canary: Did you have a damage shield or bracer?
23:22: [Clan leaders] Munnin: well omni peace would involve the oppression of the clans
23:22: [Clan leaders] Canary: First ORder??
23:22: [Clan leaders] Luxxan: Crazypostman attacked me
23:22: [Clan leaders] Canary: THey're supposed to be pro-Amnesty....
23:22: [Clan leaders] Luxxan: I had my agg bar up by accident
23:22: [Clan leaders] Lorekeep: Crazy and others are member of it
23:22: [Clan leaders] Luxxan: Even though I had no weapon
23:22: [Clan leaders] Munnin: supposed to be.......
23:22: [Clan leaders] Snarf: did someone write down all those names i listed?
23:22: [Clan leaders] Lorekeep: Saw a bunch of their members gathering

[___________Manchilde]

well....

If you dont believe Snarf, then maybe you would at leat believe Lorekeep, Windowlicker.

You may not like clans, but Lorekeep is not normally know to lie, so I guess you have some evidence there to have a chat with your members about. I agree with Capt, I doubt that they attacked by your personal decree, but you should take responsibility nonetheless for their actions. It would be kinda weak and futile of you to go on denying that members of your guild initiated the attack (for better or for worse).

[______________Windie]

Heroin :
http://www.anarchy-online.com/charac.../1/name/heroin

Darkghosty:
http://www.anarchy-online.com/charac...ame/darkghosty

Corgan:
http://www.anarchy-online.com/charac.../1/name/Corgan

Nadger:
http://www.anarchy-online.com/charac.../1/name/Nadger

Shubalubdub:
http://www.anarchy-online.com/charac...me/Shubalubdub

Polgra:
http://www.anarchy-online.com/charac.../1/name/Polgra

Crazypostman:
http://www.anarchy-online.com/charac...e/crazypostman

Tauceti5: (note that this is the only one not in First Order)
http://www.anarchy-online.com/charac.../name/tauceti5

I for one find it hard to believe that snarf did the research necessary to look up those people to 'set up' First Order
[(almost forgot, a) I'm impressed that you thought to log leaders during that time, Luxxan, and b) I'm mortified that I couldn't even spell 'proud']

[_________CaptFallout]

Lol.

What about Resta? What guild is he in?

'nuff said.

DC started it, and FO continued it... who's more at fault here?

I don't know... but they both are at fault.

Just a note. Resta claims my organization forced him to attack Snarf. He said our "harassment" confused him and made him press aimed shot. Supposedly one of my members said "Please remove your weapon and leave sneak mode". and that confused him making him attack... HAHAHAHAHA, yeah right!

I guess DC doesn't read the RP part of the event... just see "mmmm pe0ple. mmmmm 25% zone...."

Check it again... told you not to wear weapons... tsk tsk Resta.

(Other stuff he said isn't even fit to post here. Some *really* bad OOC harassment. Like I Said... it was really bad.)

[Windowlicker]

See, now this is something you haven't fashioned me with as of yet.

Had this been given to me at the start... I may have been a bit more reasonable to speak with.

I will look into this and question each person listed as to what they say happened during the conference.

[Windowlicker]

You honestly listed every member I had in attendance there. Snarf did come back, how do I know that chat log isn't from after he came back?


I had bundles of members enter that zone when I left to relay information to me.

Heroin and Polgra for two, only show up at events to parade around in Miir outfits.

So I hardly think they 'Fashioned" Snarf to death.


I'm really going to have to look at this before I can give you an honest answer, because those names do NOT match up with those actions.


In fact, there are only TWO aggressive players on that entire list.


And one of them helped lead a raid on the Cyborg Barracks in which we worked WITH clan members.

Hello?

Is this making sense to you?


How about this for an "idea".

Snarf has been running around ganking people in DAV for quite a while now. During the Amnesty.

Perhaps he's made internal enemies in ALL of the omni factions, and you saw several factions kill him.

We did NOT open fire on Snarf as an org. And Dark Carnival was seen INITIALLY firing twice at him.

Remember?

"Key stuck".. whatever


First Orders members all left the area when this happened, that's why Snarf wasn't able to KILL anyone.

Instead, when he got attacked, My members *did* remove me. And part of removing me was going *with* me.

And that part I do have logged.


If people are going to try to gank Radiman, they are going to try to gank Snarf.

Why was this in a pvp area to begin with?

Just asking for this kind of garbage to start.

[Ray]

Well, seeing the log and Cpts statement about DC starting it and FO finishing it, all I can say is if DC attacked clan members, those clanners attacked back, well of course FO defends OMNI property, OMNI territory and OMNI emploees.

You cant blame us for defending an Omni controlled zone.

Now let me tell you i wasnt there. All I am hearing are rumors, logs about the background (I'm sure we'll hear more from TAG), logs about accusations. I dont want to bring up the whole discussion about fatcs again, so lets leave it at that. I'm sure if any FO members should have been acting against FO guidlines, President Windowlicker will take care of that matter.

But as it looks, IF members of First Order engaged combat, they were only defending Omni-Tek. Go try and blame us for that.

Dark

[Windowlicker]

Direct yourselves to my statement to Windie and apply it.


http://forums.anarchy-online.com/sho...0&pagenumber=2

[______________Windie]

Snarf didn't fight back.. not at all noone did really, not at first. it was jsut a slaughter. As to fallouts comment his hatred of DC is evident, and the 2 events, the Resta attack and the other one seem seperate. Also I was talking to truwind later, and she even tried to protect me when I was being killed myself


On the other hand, I will admit that Snarf came back later and killed a bunch of people, clan and omni until he felt he'd gotten revenge.

However don't say we faked the log, 'cause we didn't.
We had no need. on a side note, I do hope you get to the bottom of this windowlicker... it does occur tho that you could be totally lying thru your teeth to try to avoid looking bad. Just a thought tho

[Lynkz]

I love how Truwind's little ooc message says "burn you traitor"

This is funny for one reason (beyond the obvious) and that is that it says RIGHT IN HER SIGNATURE "Slayer of Snarf"

[______________Luxxan]

Just as a closing to my involvement in this ordeal, I'd like to point out that I did my best to try to alleviate what will no doubt by quite a future mess. The clans do not preach hate and demand peace. Try to understand our perspective for just a moment. We come from a line of people who honestly believe or have experienced severe mistreatment at the hands of Omni-Tek. This naturally leads us to be very wary of any gesture of "help" or acts of benevolence by Omni-Tek. What we are looking for is confirmation that Omni is serious about the Amnesty, and unfortunately, for that confirmation to be "valid" in our eyes, it will take quite a bit of work on the part of Omni-Tek. Being the disadvantaged party in this affair, we cannot and will not back down without serious sacrifices on the part of Omni first. I'm sure your top brass understands this, and I'm sure some of your more astute political leaders do as well. How far Omni is willing to back down while we continue to bare our teeth will decide whether or not any of this is successful. In all honesty, what this means is that you should in fact order your guildsmen to take enemy fire with no retaliation; to turn the other cheek understanding that in the long run, it will be for the success of Omni. If I was on your side, I would understand this. I, however, am not. Ironically, my guild does have a standing order to turn the other cheek; we do not retaliate by force. Any member you attack will die and he will not raise a hand in his defense. We understand that death and aggression are meaningless in this environment, and we understand that the real fight is right here; on the political front. Dying without a hint of aggression works as well for us as it would for you; it creates bad publicity for our opponent that hopefully will be his downfall.

[_________CaptFallout]

As to fallouts comment his hatred of DC is evident, and the 2 events, the Resta attack and the other one seem seperate.

My hatred? lol.

Truwind calls Windowlicker a "traitor" And his members say I'm harassing them when I call them it...

So what about this Resta attack? I thought I made it up since I hate DC so much? What... Windie, you hate them too?


*yawn* Sit down Windie. If you're gonna flame me, at least do it in a manner that makes sense.

[Windowlicker]

Originally posted by CaptFallout


My hatred? lol.

Truwind calls Windowlicker a "traitor" And his members say I'm harassing them when I call them it...

So what about this Resta attack? I thought I made it up since I hate DC so much? What... Windie, you hate them too?


*yawn* Sit down Windie. If you're gonna flame me, at least do it in a manner that makes sense.

I thought it was an obvious point that I dont' have "Slayer of Snarf and his merry men" in my signature.

But I thought you would pick that up on your own.


My history with attending any and all events has dictated myself and the Faction I represent do NOT cause problems like this.


You really need to start looking elsewhere for a scapegoat because we haven't changed our Policies since we've been formed..