Healing classes overpowered

**Gunnandahalf** · Jan 2nd, 2002, 20:44:01

they should half the nano pool for spells also.. if not then dont cap NT damage..

**________________Ming** · Jan 2nd, 2002, 20:50:57

they should half the nano pool for spells also.. if not then dont cap NT damage

I translate that to mean:

If full nano pool is allowed then they should not cap NT's damage. They should however halve people's nano pool AND cap NT damage. (implied)

Which makes no sense whatsoever.

clarification needed.

**Ukiyoe** · Jan 2nd, 2002, 20:51:34

Everyone needs to quit complaining.

If you are mad because your player is gimped, tough sh*t. Maybee you should have though about sh*t like "no healing capabilities" when you chose your profession.

It's your own dumbass fault, not funcoms.

**_______________Garzu** · Jan 2nd, 2002, 21:17:34

The rules CHANGES!!! how are we supposed to know what would happen to pvp and healing and dmg caps 6 months ago?????

Ming, i agree with you, dmg cap should be specials only, instakills was the main problem. But i think further balancing to crits and equipment nerf is needed before they reintroduce normal dmg.

And yes, one of the main reasons NT is hard to PvP with is because we run out of nanopool, and of course for us nano breeds even runs out of health before nano pool is empty, ALOT of work is needed in PVP to make it work.

**______________Yazule** · Jan 2nd, 2002, 23:34:31

Originally posted by superherodeejay
Everyone needs to quit complaining.

If you are mad because your player is gimped, tough sh*t. Maybee you should have though about sh*t like "no healing capabilities" when you chose your profession.

It's your own dumbass fault, not funcoms.

omg is that a stupid thing to say.

I been here since beta 4 and healing was never doubled never talked about being doubled, never even implied.

You either just bought the game or you are a complete idiot.

as far as the cap goes, yes, I think only specials would be a wiser way to go than everything. I wait about 10 seconds per hit if I decide to use a hammer and that is a long time. Yes it does a LOT of damage, but I get no specials, I have to wait for it. NT's it is the same, if they are casting a BIG damage nano then they wait for it.. almost the same amount of time as I do and it costs massive nano. It basically means that those nano's are useless to them.

I say 40% on specials AND a simple formula

If damage >= hp then damage = hp*.40

This means that there will never be a one hit kill.

**________________Ming** · Jan 3rd, 2002, 02:06:20

Change that to

if damage > HP at max then damage=damage *.40

Otherwise a guy could have 20% health and a crit would do .40 of his 20% health.

**___________Illuvatar** · Jan 3rd, 2002, 08:30:17

Originally posted by Yazule

You go nut! hehe.

your a healer but I still wiped the floor with you

no offense man, hell you were VERY green to me.

I've whiped the floor with nutbar myself a few times, but all due respect, very grey player, should probably leave you alone from now on

**___________Illuvatar** · Jan 3rd, 2002, 08:33:13

Originally posted by Yazule
NT's it is the same, if they are casting a BIG damage nano then they wait for it.. almost the same amount of time as I do and it costs massive nano. It basically means that those nano's are useless to them.

Well, they are, but when you reach higher level, there wouldn't be any reason to use a big nano anyway, except if you got some that would mean 1 hit kill. When you have around 1000 nanoC init, you cast a 3-4 sec nuke instant, and casting 2-3 of those would probably be faster than casting Izgimmers Last Word 1 time anyhow. Since the PvP caps came, Igs Last Word is now totally useless, but that's another discussion.

**_______________Chill** · Jan 3rd, 2002, 13:01:47

A little soldier tip to own anyone with a dark blue duck exp (or any prof who doesn't have at least 60% of your attack rating in duck) but it will gimp you in pvm (can't have the best of both worlds) : dual wield el diablo shotguns.
No other class can use them better than soldiers, their main skill is range energy (green and buffable with mastery), they have a very large clip (66 bullets), cap easily in speed with a good range init (1.66/1.66 to 1.0/1.0), fire damage (AC tends to be lower vs fire) and very decent crits (500 pvp dmg with a ql100).
Get SG or VS from a MA and you will crit 100% of your attacks.
Eventually use your best mirror and any doc will run out of nano and die before your shield effect fades.
The average number of hits to waste a lvl 100 doc is around 10 with this weapon (it damages them almost twice as fast as they can heal). 10 hits only mean 15 seconds if you maxed your init.
Lvl 100 players who can't heal die in 6 hits (crits).
With this weapon + total mirror it's just impossible to loose 1vs1 unless the opponent runs away or has a maxed green (or max ligth blue + implants) duck exp (MAs were my worst nightmare, docs were a joke and a sure kill).

I won fights alone vs 2 others (lost some too but I like challenges) with the new pvp rules so when I see all the soldiers whining about pvp it pisses me off.
The cookie-cutter novaflow newbie soldier will always get his ass handed to him in pvp. It involves more strategy and thinking than pvm.

Now repeat after me : novaflows suck in pvp!!!! el diablos suck in pvm!!!!

Shotgungirl, lvl 94 omni soldier, RK2 (permanently retired).
I'm now building an aventurer for pvp (I won't fight before lvl 90) because I'm sure they can rock too with the right weapon choice.

**Gunnandahalf** · Jan 3rd, 2002, 17:14:47

what i mean to say is with the current system nano techs get jibbed, because there nukes are halved in damage, and yet the nano amount to cast these are the same.. They have some nice big nukes, but theres no point to those cause of the damage cap...

Heals should be 50% also.. sorry but thats the way it should be.. fights would still last longer than it did before... where is the exact problem in a 50% effective heal??

**______________Yazule** · Jan 3rd, 2002, 21:21:17

Originally posted by Ming
Change that to

if damage > HP at max then damage=damage *.40

Otherwise a guy could have 20% health and a crit would do .40 of his 20% health.

actually I thought that was understood

hp = max hp

anything else would be curhp = current hp

we dont know the code, quit trying to argue syntax with me ming hehe

**________________Ming** · Jan 3rd, 2002, 21:54:28

I know you know, but I also know they don't necessarily know, and I also know funcom definitely doesn't know. Ya know? Ya just never know what people are going to assume, so it's best to be precise. Besides if you want a ride home from the airport you won't argue with me. Right? Got it bit*h? =)

**______________Yazule** · Jan 3rd, 2002, 22:05:42

well, if you had your phone on you and you had it on I might be able to tell you when I am coming into town.

it is 10:08 am btw Northwest flight 1223

hehe

**________________Ming** · Jan 3rd, 2002, 23:28:32

Did you find that goat porn you were looking for?

**______________Yazule** · Jan 3rd, 2002, 23:29:56

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that answer your question?

**________________Ming** · Jan 3rd, 2002, 23:42:47

that's disturbing. please don't do that.

**______________Frodur** · Jan 4th, 2002, 03:52:34

LOL!!!!!!

How can heals, be over powered?
Still a soldier do 3 x 2k dmg in 0.1 sec!!!!!
What healingprofession can outheal that? or even outdmg that?

Heals are doc's defskill when it comes to pvp, if heals are caped then ALL shields and AC buffs should be caped too!!!!
After all they still are as powerfull as before 13.0!!!!!!!

**______________Zpirit** · Jan 5th, 2002, 22:54:29

What soldier does 3x2k in 0.1 sec ??

Exploiters ?

you know about the 40% cap right??

so 3x2k damage in PvM would be.. a total of 7.5x2 damage on 0.1 sec..

OR 15k!!!!

What did you se a level 200 super exploiter ?? heh

15k damage my ass

Just quit your fantasies and se whats going on eh?

for real

Zalt

I am getting tierd of the f**ked up responses some people post.

Btw did you know that shotgun docs Own PVP at high levs.
probably not.

**______________Yazule** · Jan 5th, 2002, 23:03:42

well 3x1.6k is possible. I fought a 135 solja who's NORMAL crit was 1.6k on me. That means that a fling can do that. a burst and FA can do more than that. This is a 135 RK2 (so no prepatch items) solja.

Dont say it is not feasible. It is! Granted I have 4600 hp and 5600 hp with mongo up so that increases the cap level.

Dont matter if it is 2k or 500, 40% x 3 = 120%

Meaning it is possible to still alpha strike, but very very rare now.

You want more details I will give them to you. I know the solja's name and I know my stats.

Dont say it is BS or I will come on here and say "whatever dude"

**______________Zpirit** · Jan 5th, 2002, 23:05:19

Personally i think the first months(after mirror sheild nerf) were the best for PvP, everyone used double FAs(Freedom arms 3290), back then it was your skill and tactic that matterd.

Maybe FAs got a bit boring after a while...

But still then it was tactics, skill, and luck !

Now its 80% PvP system.

Zalt

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