Baboons Management hosts party for Omni-Tek Employees and Neutral Citizens

[Marisha]

I used to fear Storm, back in the day. After seeing them in Baboons, in full armor and afraid to let their weapons down, lamenting that there were no good parties in Clan held territories, proclaiming all Omni-Tek employees as evil, yet begging for us to let them party with us with cries of “It’s not my fault I was born Clan,” and “I just came here to dance.” I now see them in the same way I saw my annoying little sister who constantly begged to let her wear my clothes and whined when I wouldn’t let her come with me when I went down to the river to drink beer with my friends.

I half expected them to say, “I’m telling mom, and your gona get grounded.”

All in all, a fun party, though.

[Blackpetal]

I am, despite the nausea it produces, forced to agree with Nevver and Marisha in this instance...at least to a limited degree. Any member of the Clans who went to this party knew in advance that it was intended for Employees and their Neutral allies. Thus, members of the Clans who arrived have little room for complaint if they were escorted away or attacked. On the other hand, I find the arguments put forth by Omni-Tek in this instance--why would Clanners want to attend, etc.--to be a trifle disingenuous, since the invitation was made in such a way that Clanners found out about the party in large numbers, and it was phrased in such a way that many Clanners were likely to see it as a direct challenge.

Why would Clanners WANT to go to such a party? The only reasons would be to take a political stand or to cause trouble. Any Clanner who showed up and claimed he "just wanted to dance" must be considered to be lying, and lying over such a petty thing seems fairly sad. Why not admit to the intention of disrupting the event, and at least gaining whatever limited cachet might be garnered among one's peers for the act of defiance?

What surprises me more is that Omni-Employees are apparently unconcerned that some of their own were attacked and killed during these skirmishes. It is sadly typical of Omni-Tek, in its current incarnation, to adopt such a scorched earth policy. When will Employees wake up to that bitter Truth?

-Blackpetal

[PereatMundus]

// Sol Caldon "Kelei"

Yes It is bitter truth.. and I am sure atleast myself try to evade truth in thought as often as I can and I really managed this time.. I was to offended and perhaps saddened by missing the event to actually realise what happened..

and in a world like this when all I see is murder and more murder I try to make an honest living but it just brings me more death...
Hence I just do what service I find obligated to do for my still beloved corporation my family.
But when it comes down to it again atleast I hide from theese things to focus on the deaths caused by this is just to hard... so I spend a lot of time at parties..

Im sure most loyal employees am aware of this but in a world where death isnt permanent it tend to get way simplifyed.. "so, they just had to get a new shell ffrom the insurance"
Its an easy though... so killing someone becomes offending someone.. and beeing bombarded by all the death isnt good can never be good.. I for one have given up a long time ago..

same way the clansmen hwo showed up killed and maimed without thought.. Its the way it works in my head.. this is why we are at the standstill there is not enough of an evolving motion going on here on this dusty rock... cant see any change comming so I just accept the situation and dont deal with it.

Thank you for your words Blackpetal I shall think more of this..

If just everyone whould try a little more work a little harder and actually help out No one should stay silent.. But after endless political debates with the "oposing" side.. Im to tiered to continue. Somehow If you cant get people to understand your standpoint how can you hope on a change..

But then again Im to tiered to actually think now and am only rambling ..

[LTK]

Y'know what I think?

Bagels are freakin' delicious.

[Marisha]

Yes, Tarryk, thanks for contributing that gem of wisdom.

Actualy, I’d have more admirition for any clanner who said, “I’m here to cause trouble.” That way, they wouldn’t have sounded like a bunch of children who were excluded from the grown ups party and had to go to bed. And it’s not so much as were unconcerned that the Clans were attacking Omni-Tek employees. This is a common occurrence. These are people that were born into a rigid militant society, and they have been programmed from birth to attack Omni-Tek employees. After all, were evil, based on the comments that they made themselves. So, I guess were just not all that surprised that militant clanners attacked Omni-Tek employees. This is not an uncommon thing.

[Spizmack]

Actually, we really were just there to dance as we always do wherever the party may be. This time it was at Baboons instead of the usual Reets. And I was armed with a teddy bear haha. Really dangerous weapons. Please. Just admit defeat.

[Marisha]

The first two clanners I saw were in full armor though. And I believe it was Mr. Aged, who kept saying that Omni were evil, that had his very shotgun shaped teddy bear.

However, to be completely honest, I didn’t see what you were wearing or carrying. I believe I may have heard someone shout something about a teddy bear, but by that point I had already retired from the dance floor with close friends.

[Spizmack]

And for future reference, the next time you sillays insist on having an omni only party, I suggest you have competent guards to keep us out. And many many of them.

[Schuyler]

*cries* Me just wanted to dance peoples who know teh schu me just dance. *nods* why must pople hate me for what I r was born . Me friedly troxxy just dance. Me hear there was going be dance contest so me wanted to eneter peoples who know me. know schu liek dancesss dancess and me have many omni buddys why must joo hate teh schus *cries* It not matter who joo r we all party yea!!! *me opens his bag and hands out some pies* see party only party *sad*

[Dabblez]

I am not concerned by clanners showing up at Baboons or Rompa. But I do wonder how many of those very same clanners would support allowing Omni and Neutrals in Tir again, as when the ICC troops guarded that town.

Savoy

[LTK]

Another tidbit of slightly more on-topicness this time...

((EDIT: my usual sorta-IC-ness here))

I've noticed something over the years that differentiates between clans and omni when it comes to "party crashing".

First, omni's rarely ever crash clan-only parties (in fact they're often invited and don't show anyway), while clanners crash omni-only parties all the time. Considering the basic nature of these two factions, anyone having not been witness to it first-hand for years would think it to be the exact opposite, where omnis would try to disperse clan rallies and clans would steer clear of omni functions. But it just isn't so...kinda strange.

Secondly, the post-crash effects also seem to deviate from what the average person would think when it comes to reactions.

Clan party gets crashed by omnis: Clans get mad for 5 minutes then brush it off and start another party somewhere else. Meanwhile several militant clan orgs consider it a good excuse to go on a crazy tower-destroying spree, and OT falls back a bit more in the Notum Wars.

Omni party gets crashed by clanners: Several weeks of the offended omnis grieving the injustices of the world on the forums.

It's a little like watching the Teenage Mutant Twink Kiddies Vs. The Carebear Rainbow Police. Personally, I'll take a vodka & ginger ale...and a small bag of popcorn, if you have any.

[Betji]

On a general level, I can't deny the justice of Marisha's views. I've found that certain elements in the clans DO act like petulant children all too often. Perhaps the difference is that these clan children want to socialize, albeit dysfunctionally, while the omni children show a single-minded devotion to the causes of phat lewt, powerlevelling and uberness. However, Tarryk really hits the mark with his observations. It's how you respond in a crisis or a disaster that truly defines you. Omnis and clans really do react very, very differently.

However, in the specific instance of the party at Baboon's last Wednesday night, the bouncers were clearly incompetent, despite their green names. It seems the only person they managed to kill was me, a lowly 132nd, who had changed to omni once it was clear clanners weren't allowed. Talking with Marisha later, it began to dawn on me that OT computers might not have updated themselves with sufficient rapidity to recognize the change, even though it was clearly evident to me.

Still, it was hard to not take personally cries like "kill the stinking clanner." Especially in my case: a person created and trained by omni, who enjoys omni culture and life, and only went north to the clans because just one thing trumps all that: my love for a certain woman.

On the other hand, the omnis showed a remarkable lack of poise and strength after the clan attack. Those Storm people really did succeed in breaking up the party. It did not reform later at Reets, or any other obvious venue. Instead, the omnis just all seemed to go home, leaving a rather forlorn DJ playing to an empty hall.

I can't help but feel that a certain omni greenie ganked me, another omni, well below legal range (the bouncer was 200, I'm 132), because that was ALL they could kill. When a serious threat later appeared, the kind of threat they were SUPPOSED to handle, they became nothing more than floor mops. If I were organizing an Omni party, the last thing I'd hire would be greenie bouncers. Almost any decent tower-holding omni org could have done a better job guarding that party in a 25% zone.

[Nevver]

((Well, I would have been a little disappointed if some Clanners hadn't showed up to give me something to scream about - you know me.

However, the one thing that I found frustrating is that Baboon's, aside from Beer & Booze, is the only bar that I know of that isn't at 100% gas. This makes for an opportunity for Clan players to kill Omni NPCs in a show of hostility yet all the Omni players can do is say, "Stop that! Or we'll say 'stop' again!" What I would like to see is either Baboon's set to 100% gas or set it like Beer & Booze. Being the world's worst pvper, I prefer 100% gas, but I'll take being able to attack the Clan player even though he sends me back to reclaim in 10 seconds over not being able to do anything while the Clan player repeatedly wipes out all the Omni NPCs.))

[Dabblez]

/ooc
I don't know how accurate a picture you draw Tarryck, as neither Dabz or Savoy are great party animals. I will venture an explanation though, just hope no one takes it too seriously.

Look at it this way. As an Omni player, you have to deal with being labeled the oppressor all the time. This is despite your character’s own actions, despite Clan players having always outnumbered and out-gunned Omni players and despite any actual example of oppression in game.

Meanwhile the Clanners, who are pretty much doing the exactly the same sort of things Omni players do, get to strut around in the knowledge that they are the good, the chosen, the saviors of mankind.

Hmmm…

Given this context, is it surprising that when Clanners are caught misbehaving, acting as oppressors in their own right, Omni players may feel moved to shout “Foul!”? Whereas, when an Omni player acts like a humourless bully, isn't that to be expected?

This is not by any means the fault of the players. It's a flaw in the game's design. How can you tell a epic story about the fight between Good and Evil through a game in which the main form of interation with the environment is killing and looting stuff?

[Blackpetal]

((You know, Savoy makes a REALLY good point, and one which I hadn't really ever put in those terms before. There is a real imperative on Clan-sided characters to behave BETTER than their Omni counterparts, and that imperative is largely ignored by most of the players...even those who roleplay. Given that, it's no wonder that players are left wondering which side has the moral high ground. Clan players have largely squandered it. Which is a shame, really, though maybe to be expected... ;_; ))

[Darlaz]

(( I dont think that the clans have to behave better, only those who claim to be on the side of good, which is mostly the ones "striving for peace", due to the nature of the clan side there will always be the extremists, those whose sole purpose on the planet is to kill omni-tek. Then there are also some people who are a bit inbetween, the people who most of the time wouldnt attack towers or kill omni people but when offered a challenge like a party for omni and neut only, put on their best weapons and go along for a good ol fashioned brawl. Id say in the clans side there are RP'ers for each of these types, granted at times it seems there is more extremists but thats just because you only see the actions of the extremist.))

[Keldros]

Originally posted by Nevver (OOC)
However, the one thing that I found frustrating is that Baboon's, aside from Beer & Booze, is the only bar that I know of that isn't at 100% gas. This makes for an opportunity for Clan players to kill Omni NPCs in a show of hostility yet all the Omni players can do is say, "Stop that! Or we'll say 'stop' again!" What I would like to see is either Baboon's set to 100% gas or set it like Beer & Booze.

((You forget the bartenders in neutral advanced shops have the same problem.

I've said it before, we should either be allowed to defend merchants on our side, they should be impossible to attack, or attacking one should immediately spawn about 10 local law enforcement officers with hostile intent. I favor the latter, since no one can spam the OOC channels to get 60 people from the same side onto a single GS.))

[_______________Suzuo]

Close this thread , its yet another lame discussion


Both sides crash each others blah blah blah.... .

Someone post something original for once.