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Thread: Omni Interference During an Escort of an ICC Messenger to Omni Headquarters

  1. #21
    The Unredeemed are not nice people, i´ll agree to that. They are arrogant and sometimes downright nasty. Does that make them evil? I don´t agree. A few weeks ago i had the chance to sit in on one of the ancient Unredeemed´s history recitals. I can not recall all taht was said there, but the Redeemed are not so white and pure as you might belive.

    As with every conflict there are good and bad people on all sides, but if you want evil, do not look to the Unredeemed. Look to the Brink, and what lays beyond that.


    ((OOC: If you want to see to what history i am refering to, read the description on these items.
    http://aomainframe.info/showitem.asp?AOID=215071
    http://aomainframe.info/showitem.asp?AOID=215091
    "On the frontlines, there is but one commandment...
    Thou Shalt Kill."


    "As i stride knee deep through the dead, all is clear. I know what must be done...
    My cause is just...My will is strong...
    ...And my gun is very, very large!"
    The words of a true soldier.

  2. #22
    Blackpetal,

    I was brought up to respect other people's faiths, but I am finding it very hard to stomach this new religion of yours. You seem to want to vilify and demonise an entire sentient race! As with all peoples, you will find each Unredeemed is an individual, to be judged on his or her own individual actions. I do have to question a belief system that preaches racial hatred, I really do.

    Savoy
    Dabblez - Rubi-Ka Universal Robots (RUR)
    We put the Art into Artificial Intelligence!

  3. #23
    Wow, have we drifted from the original topic. However, this is just starting to get interesting.

    Okay, Schuemann, pair of questions for you. First, on the Unredeemed genocidal rampage across known space, how did they do it? Where are the bloated transports, and the high orbit gunships bristling with meson canons and anti-mater bombs? Where are the anchorages and staging grounds? If the Unredeemed have the military might to commit universal genocide, why didn’t they use it against the Redeemed long ago? Or did the Hecklers recently eat the evidence?

    Second, where did you get this information? Was it from the Redeemed? If so, is it beyond a shadow of a doubt that their report was not biased as to demonize their enemies so that you would kill them and their allies without mercy?
    Marisha Durousseau, War Dominatrix of The Honored Maidens

    Resources exist to be consumed. And consumed they will be, if not by this generation then by some future. By what right does this forgotten future seek to deny us our birthright?--CEO Nwabudike Morgan, "The Ethics of Greed"

    Read Marisha's Journal, and see what she's doing

  4. #24
    A point has been raised about criminals using side changing appliction forms to escape justice. Point taken, but no system is perfect and if criminals do attempt this they can only do it twice. Conversly you could publish the huge extent of Blackpetals criminal activity before she became a Clan member. I attach a postage stamp for you to write on. Also having been with us for a few days now you can demonstrate the damage caused to you be security leaks from this supposedly dishonourable woman, I am sure above postage stamp will suffice for this as well.

    Your analogy about what we would think if Commander Windguaerd of the Mercury Dragons were to defect to the Omni’s brought a smile to us all, there is as much a chance of that as Omni becoming a registered charity. But if that imponderable were to happen I am sure I would expect him as a man of honour not to tell you all our secrets. Could it be that we simply don’t have any dirty secrets to be aired? Or that we can put so much more faith in the morale calibre of leading Clan figures than you do in yours?

    Back to the Unredeemed. As one your Omni employees said, they have fallen on hard times, this is why they no longer have the hardware, bases or numbers to achieve the universal domination they desire. But they are growing again and Omni Tech is the stool pigeon they have chosen for their new ascent.
    Last edited by Boffin; Feb 15th, 2004 at 16:44:32.

  5. #25
    Points of note:

    1) Treason is a charge that can only be levied by a sovereign or a state against one of its citizens. Omni Tek is neither a sovereign nor a state. Omni-Tek is a corporation, a business, merely one of the many inter galactic corporations that operate within known space, and as such it is governed by inter-galactic law. Laws it can neither change nor modify to suit its self. Laws it is bound by (under its continued status as a corporation) to uphold and operate within and in the case of its presence on Rubi-Ka to enforce, where its duties of policing are concerned.

    2) A traitor is someone who has been found GUILTY of betrayal or disloyalty.

    Professor B. G. Rumpole (ICC Counsel)
    Calling the senior partner of a law firm who has been unlawfully imprisoned and then released with no charges a traitor is an open invitation to be sued. Deformation of character and slander of an individual with as high a profile and such a position as Ms Schuemann without any evidence is likely to amount to an extremely expensive mistake for the individuals/organisations branding her with such unsupported accusations. At the very least Omni-Pol (and by association, Omni-Tek) will no doubt be finding itself at the sharp end of a very expensive and indefensible law suit for its wrongful arrest and imprisonment of Ms Schuemann. Her professional reputation has been brought into question by these unfortunate recent events and, as a principal is involved, she will likely not be content to accept an out of court settlement as it will still leave a question over her reputation.
    Anonymous senior Rubi-Ka court official
    A lawyer who cannot keep client confidentiality is a lawyer who can no longer practice the law. Presenting evidence of such actions to the court would lead to the disbarment of the individual concerned. After all, where would our legal system be if people thought that their representative blabbed information obtained in strict confidentiality to any third party they happened to meet.
    R Woodward (journalist for inter-galactic business quarterly)
    From the recent events concerning Omni-Tek’s methods and practices in law enforcement it is beginning to look as if there are two sets of laws being operated by the corporation. One set for Omni-Tek the corporation and another set for everyone else. The most alarming aspect of which is that neither set seem to fall within the accepted interpretation of inter-galactic law.
    One hopes that these recent incidents will be quickly and amicably addressed by the corporation and that their systems will be restructured to insure such unfortunate events don’t happen again in the future. OT share prices continue to hold their value but these recent incidents have slowed expected growth and continued occurrences could see a change in the mood of the market and the stocks stability/dividends if a large number of hefty law suits are brought against the corporation.

  6. #26
    Originally posted by Tiggy
    Points of note:

    1) Treason is a charge that can only be levied by a sovereign or a state against one of its citizens. Omni Tek is neither a sovereign nor a state. Omni-Tek is a corporation, a business, merely one of the many inter galactic corporations that operate within known space, and as such it is governed by inter-galactic law. Laws it can neither change nor modify to suit its self. Laws it is bound by (under its continued status as a corporation) to uphold and operate within and in the case of its presence on Rubi-Ka to enforce, where its duties of policing are concerned.

    Incorrect. Per the ICC, Omni-Tek is recognized as the superior governing body of Rubi-Ka as documented in the ICC lease of 28708. On Rubi-Ka, we are not only a corporation, but also colonial governing body. A city has been constructed for the purpose of fulfilling the needs of a post-lease government, that city being Rome of course, but until that time and the creation of said government, the Omni-Tek Corporation colonial government is still the superior governing body.

    As the recognized governing body of Rubi-Ka, it is possible to commit the act of Treason against the Omni-Tek Corporation, Rubi-Ka Mining Division.
    Marisha Durousseau, War Dominatrix of The Honored Maidens

    Resources exist to be consumed. And consumed they will be, if not by this generation then by some future. By what right does this forgotten future seek to deny us our birthright?--CEO Nwabudike Morgan, "The Ethics of Greed"

    Read Marisha's Journal, and see what she's doing

  7. #27
    Originally posted by Marisha


    Incorrect. Per the ICC, Omni-Tek is recognized as the superior governing body of Rubi-Ka as documented in the ICC lease of 28708. On Rubi-Ka, we are not only a corporation, but also colonial governing body. A city has been constructed for the purpose of fulfilling the needs of a post-lease government, that city being Rome of course, but until that time and the creation of said government, the Omni-Tek Corporation colonial government is still the superior governing body.

    As the recognized governing body of Rubi-Ka, it is possible to commit the act of Treason against the Omni-Tek Corporation, Rubi-Ka Mining Division.
    I find myself in the unlikely position of agreeing with Marisha completely on this point (although she and I would probably disagree as to whether treason was committed in this instance or not, since I see it as an act of patriotism). In any case, to expand on what she said, there hasn't been a "traditional" sovereign nation or planetary government in a very, very long time. As such, corporate entities such as Omni-Tek are the defacto sovereign states, and, in many cases, EMPIRES. In the specific case of Omni-Tek, that empire stretches across the universe, with it "capitol" being Omni-Prime.

    *sigh*

    No one studies history any more...

    -Blackpetal
    Senior Partner, Schuemann & Associates (on leave)

  8. #28
    I'd agree with Tiggy. Treason is not the correct term. Though Omni-Tek may perform many of the duties of a old-style government, not all concepts translate.

    We are Omni-Tek employees. We get paid for our services. Our relationship with Omni-Tek is contractual. As long as your specific contract allows for it, you may one day leave Omni-Tek and go work for another Mega-corporation. Nothing wrong with that.

    For there to be "treason", the bond between the parties has to go beyond contractual, you are looking for a deeper, natural bond of kinship and loyalty.

    I can see how people who serve in the armed forces (where loyalty is drilled into you) or have just been Omni-Tek for generations might confuse breach of contract with treason, but that is not technically correct.

    Savoy
    Dabblez - Rubi-Ka Universal Robots (RUR)
    We put the Art into Artificial Intelligence!

  9. #29
    First off, there are still governments, and Omni-Tek has taken steps so that once our lease expires, the post-lease democratic government can take off. Now, in the case of Rubi-Ka alone, one can’t say that there hasn’t been a traditional sovereign nation for a long long time, because there was never one to begin with. On the other extreme, Mars has had a long history of democratic governmental rule, and by all indications this trend will continue long into the future.

    Now, why we may be Omni-Tek employees and contractually bound to the corporation, the fact remains that under the Planetary Lease of 28708, Omni-Tek is the government of Rubi-Ka. Actions that interfere with the orderly operation of the colonial governance of Rubi-Ka by employees of the colonial governing corporation are treasonous by nature. Similarly, a citizen of a government that takes actions against the most democratic of governments and interferes with the orderly operation of said democratic government is committing an act of treason. It doesn’t mater how much financial support the individual gets from the government, or if the individual can switch his citizenship. He has committed a crime against the government.

    For example, if an Omni-Tek division employed me on Mars and I planted a bomb in a barracks of OTAF soldiers, I would be guilty of numerous crimes, but not treason, because I was not taking action against the Martian government. The same crime on Rubi-Ka becomes treasonous, because Omni-Tek is the government of Rubi-Ka.

    As much as we hate to admit it, the law is relative to the location we happen to be in.
    Marisha Durousseau, War Dominatrix of The Honored Maidens

    Resources exist to be consumed. And consumed they will be, if not by this generation then by some future. By what right does this forgotten future seek to deny us our birthright?--CEO Nwabudike Morgan, "The Ethics of Greed"

    Read Marisha's Journal, and see what she's doing

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