Letah is Uber..
er..
I mean, bump! I'll go order some donuts now.. Mm..
Letah is Uber..
er..
I mean, bump! I'll go order some donuts now.. Mm..
Nah, I doubt it, they are mostly interested in twisting and turning facts. They bring up stuff that already has been thoroughly discussed and proved, and tries to use them again and again as an arguement etc etc... This discussion will never end, none of the parts will give in and agree with the opposite part.Originally posted by Ryuzaki
ps. did anyone realy read any posts from Letah??????????????
And as Tink did say himself, a lvl 196 Trader max implanted for team heals, can cast it without buffs and drains. Which means the trader is a better team healer than the doc.
NT phone HOME!!
But... but... if we agreed... What would we do on our free time?!
ps. Im still wanting to get out and buy those Donuts.
to FC... do you really know the reality in your own game? I think not. As example High Level Teams without an MA are gimped and not worth the time. So MAs have their unique feature. Agents dont replace them. Other example... Traders and MPs have their buffing and debuffing abilities. Docs should have their superior healing abilities... but all so-called second healing classes can heal as good as we can in terms of avarage healing rate, and the Trader can outheal us. And I am talking here from real combat situations not theoretical comparitions.
The Complete Heal Line does not count, since it uses to much Nano and A&O is completely useless in combat, since it needs that much time.
Docs are, next to the Adv, the forgotten prof in AO. That's all. Some FC Official once asked if we Docs feel attacked by the other healing profs... so I say... YES I am feel attacked!
Airri
Comparing numbers is useless. You can easily see that a trader of a same level to a doc in the same team can outheal the doctor. I have seen it several times myself.
I don't really agree on this, no trader will use those implants and you have to see how it really is, not how it could be IF someone did this.And as Tink did say himself, a lvl 196 Trader max implanted for team heals, can cast it without buffs and drains. Which means the trader is a better team healer than the doc.
But I still think traders are better healers, we have no docs at all in Apocalypse, but we never have any problems with surviving in ql190+ team missions cuz traders and MAs have no problem to keep a high lvl team alive.
Docs are good cuz of hp buff, but in PvM the mobs die so fast so usually noone need more hp cuz mob die faster than them.
Even if traders don't heal better, they are still alot more useful for a team cuz they heal atleast as good as a doc, and they have calm and wrangle too..
Hmm... so I suppose that I have 3 different ql of heals lined up as hotkeys so that I can only use one of the, huh? I guess that being 20pts away from the higher lvl heal means that I won't even bother doing a drain so that I can use a better heal, right? And I'm not the only one who does it either. I've teamed w/ several other traders will will often have different DoTs as results of different ql team heals running at the same time. I don't know about what kind of trader you play, but he doesn't sound the like the most pleasant trader to team with...Originally posted by Ryuzaki
i play a trader myself and there is only ONE need of running depri and rans while fighting in a team
to outdamage the team and to feel MORE UBER than the whole team
so if FC dont whant to show little love for docs
NERF TRADER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
ry
ps. did anyone realy read any posts from Letah??????????????
And if you had read a post from Letah, then maybe you wouldn't propose nerfing traders as the solution to fixing docs.
Yes, make doc heals better. Bump... again.
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Thank you peopleBecause some people whom I don't even need to mention do not listen to my replies anyways i'll just also go back to simple
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There are a few things in this thread that are just WRONG. And those those things need to be pointed out if anyone is going to look at the problem objectively.
- You cannot declare one profession better than another in capabilities based on their capabilities at level 190+. Some people are doing exactly this when comparing professions. But if you do tha, you're ignoring the other professions' performance for the prior 189 levels and therefore ignoring the majority of the character's "life".
- You cannot declare one profession better than another in capabilities if you have to qualify the statement with things like "if you implant xxx skill" or "if they focus on yyy skill". Balance revolves around the average player, not the specialist nor the twinks.
- Credit and time costs to acheive a particular capability are valid things that have to be considered when comparing capabilities. It is balance if a player has to invest more time or credits to equal or surpass another profession's normal abilities.
- The ORIGINAL purpose of this entire thread is getting lost because people are seeing a chance to promote their own agendas in it. The original purpose of this thread was to create a platform in which a player wished to point out her belief that her profession was being outperformed by another and requested to fix it. She didn't call for new passengers on the "Nerf the Trader" bandwagon. She specifically said:
Q: Dont ask for a nerf fs!
A: I dont, i dont want to nerf anyone, but we suck compared to you and its our job. Give us better min. heals and better single heals! Less recharge time!
Docs could definately stand for a higher minimum healing on their nanoformulas. The average amount they heal suffers from the wide range between min/max heal on their nanoformulas. Doctors also have a credit drain issue, often being looked at as the person that is supposed to carry the treatment labs for the team (which isn't really wrong).
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Was grouped in a 65-70 team today on my twink doing q120 missions. Had a 65 trader in the group.
Her non-deprived team heal did 330 health, which would be the equivalent of (Greater Team Healing 201-460 health BM371 MM321 )
Her deprived team heal did 502 health, which would be the equivalent of (Team Nano Bandage 311-664 health BM544 MM493.)
She was casting them at about the regular speed of a doctor team heal, once every 5-6 seconds or so. She was using the 502 health heal more often then not.
I wasn't the best geared doctor, but it wasn't until I was level 85 or 90 that I had access to Team Nano Bandage, and I was title capped with it till about level 100.
Draw your own conclusions.
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Why is it everyone whines that their class sucks, and some other class has an advantage. You do know that trader heals take health away from the trader right??? You do know that trader team heals have a timed attack that affects the caster right??? So what are you whining for, if you want a "better" team healer play a trader. Otherwise quit whining.
*Big Hugs* to Letah for moving this issue.
BUMP BUMP BUMP.....and fingers crossed.
I was 100% with you until you got to this partOriginally posted by Irritated
All i am saying is that traders are not the god characters people in pvp see them as. fight a trader who has no outside buffs. The fight is very fair with all classes. They take skill to play and require more than just pressing 1,2,3 for alpha strike. I have lvled 7 characters to lvl60+ and currently have 600+ lvls active on my account. By far the easiest to lvl and fight monsters with are the pet classes. next enforcers and soldiers.
The current "problem" with traders owning all in pvp is due to 2 things.
1. Outside buffs that unbalance everything and make high-crit, low normal damage, weapons kings (shotguns).
2. Decrease range on shotguns to make them ore realistic. Make their range about 6 meters.. not more than a sniper rifle.
What you are trying to say here is that having a ton of options and capabilities in combat makes it more difficult. That is dead wrong. Give a soldier the 'difficult' nano's like roots and heals and debuffs then - that should make them less uber due to the added difficulty of PvP. lol (this is sarcasm of course)
If you think hard on this, you will realize that it takes more skill to play a class with less options. A trader is pretty simple to PvP with comparitively. Debuff, root, find range and shoot - rerooting and healing when necessary. What's so hard about that? That's like having the fight handed to you on a silver platter - nothing could be easier. Compare this to 'simple soldiers' who have to calculate if their alpha strike will beat your drain - or abandon it altogether for an early TMS - thereby not being able to switch weapons. The soldier also knows that he cant heal so he MUST kill you before his shield expires or he is dead. This is made more difficult by the fact that he knows you can easily root him once he is shielded - and he cannot break it. Also not only does TMS stop weapon switching for 20 seconds, but drains will also make this impossible, so now there is the added factor of the alpha must come first or not at all, but waiting too long can leave the soldier stuck with a TMS of half-duration due to the drain. And since a half-duration shield wont leave him enough time to escape your root... well.. You see where this goes.
Sorry bud. 1,2,3 alpha is alot more difficult than 'drain, root and shoot' any day of the week. It's easy if you dont mind dying though i suppose.
Why is it everyone whines that their class sucks, and some other class has an advantage. You do know that trader heals take health away from the trader right??? You do know that trader team heals have a timed attack that affects the caster right??? So what are you whining for, if you want a "better" team healer play a trader. Otherwise quit whining.
Quoted from someone "Trader shoots harder than the soldier, heals better than the Doctor."
Traders are barely effected by the draw backs of team heals compared to what it can heal the team for.
Let me guess, you play a trader?
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As I understand the Trader profession, it is about sacrifice and trade-offs. It seems that the Trader really has no sacrifice on casting a team heal, because the Damage over Time incurred is insignificant.
In my (extremely limited) experience as a Trader, because the DOT's don't stack, I don't even notice them! If they stacked, I would have to think more carefully about using the team heal, which IMHO is the sacrifice it should be. Just look at the difference in HP sacrificed vs HP healed when chain casting team heals and the Health Haggler line (Trader single heal). No wonder many have said they don't use Health Haggler.
Thus, although the Trader may be able to team heal for more than the doc when it is cast, the sacrifice in HP and other mitigating factors mentioned in previous posts would mean that the doc team heal is still better overall.
I would be interested to hear what people have to say about the DOT's on the Trader team heal.
Would the trade proffesion be nerfed if funcom reduces the health gained on the team heal? I don't tihnk so at all so what are you guys argueing about? Don't you agree that doctors should be the best healers. I'm not talking about how hard it is to play a trader or how much u trade off to cast team heal , but like I said many times before how could a shopkeeper ouheal a surgeon? It's just ilogical
I agree that they are whining , but they are whining for a very good reason and the reason leads to why doctors are so rare these days and funcom knows nothing about it so we are here to bump until they actually read this article rather then hang out with our monthly money in their hands
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