Traders are BETTER at healing the DOCS! Fix! Bump

[assassimon]

Originally posted by Aforce


Does your calculation include mochams BM/TS? Would you be able to use your best heal at lvl 200 with mochams/infuses/masteries?

And when traders claim that they cant heal their best without divesting, does that mean that they have to divest in addition to mochams?

Because, seriously, my lvl 104 doctor has to use mochams to be able to heal steadily for about 700-800 (550-1.1k healingrange on nano (called something regeneration of constitution or similar).

If you got mochams, would you still have to divest (for healingpurposes only)?

The doc's true best friends are the Enfs and the Metas, and I never go anywhere without them.

That is without mochams and all traders have atleast 1 divest running all the time.

With mochams my lvl 103 trader can do 856-1000 team heal (second best heal I think)with only 1 drain, no need to step drains or anything, and it's VERY easy to have 1 drain going all the time.

[Sheffy]

*shameless bump*

--Tsk

[_____________Calenth]

The problem with healing as a trader is that it takes your own health. Ow. Risk-y.

But I don't have any problem with doctors getting buffed as a class.

[Kandyflip]

No official comment yet?
C'mon guys, please give us some hope

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[xbmspec]

The problem with healing as a trader is that it takes your own health. Ow. Risk-y.

You lose next to nothing over what you heal.
Its been said.

[Letah]

If i'd be able to sacrifice 1k hp to get my tema back to insta health I would still see it as a good Trade (ironic word there).

Bump

[assassimon]

Originally posted by Letah
If i'd be able to sacrifice 1k hp to get my tema back to insta health I would still see it as a good Trade (ironic word there).

Bump

Traders have to sacrifice and have a little 84 DoT on them, but who cares about that when you just can chain heal and the DoTs don't stack?

[M@hdi]

BUMP

Give us some uniqueness!

treat buff unique? Advents can buff +60 as well. They need to up a skill they don't need? So do we (sens imp). Eps purge is a joke and so are we

[Destria]

I'd gladly swap heals

[Greenhawk]

In EQ, they had a simple method of addressing this... clerics casting a given heal got more out of it than another class. Simple and effective.

All they need to do is give Doctors, the supposed masters of healing, a simple boost to their healing output... 10% or so. My nano says it heals for 140-220, great... now because I'm a doctor, I get 154 to 242 out of that nano. Coincidentally, it will make Agents using doc nanos less effective than docs using doc nanos.

Of course the same concept could be applied to other classes as well... but that's probably the tack I'd take to fixing this. No nerfs to anyone... simple change (that should be flat out cake to code) for docs.

[Letah]

That's a nice idea; problem is that all classes have very different heals. I do not know the game you speak of but it seems everyone got the same heals there with a different effciency. Sounds great but no way FC will change it

[Zarenic]

Why would traders even get heals close to comparable with a docs? Why would traders even get heals that benefit the entire group period? This just seems silly. And of recent i've been repeatedly humbled by traders who have saved my ass or the other members in groups with their heals while my group heals or single heals managed as usual to heal me or the other members for the minimum or very close to it. This is rediculous to even think that a level 116 trader could use their top heal of that calibur while i'm stuck using some crap that usually doesn't even heal for more than 600 on average Thanks funcom.

Milan "Zenforth" Laurence
96 Doc
Omni-Pol RK 1

[_______________Vydas]

Well, the trader, of course, is swapping their health for yours. This is what traders do - traffic in skills, health, nano pool, ac, and so on. So, that is the answer as to why they get team heals.

I'm guessing, though, from your post, that you would rather have been dead, as you feel the whole thing is too humbling for you.

[_____________Calenth]

Originally posted by Vydas
Well, the trader, of course, is swapping their health for yours. This is what traders do - traffic in skills, health, nano pool, ac, and so on. So, that is the answer as to why they get team heals.

I'm guessing, though, from your post, that you would rather have been dead, as you feel the whole thing is too humbling for you.

The problem is that most or all trader nanos (except possibly skill drains) are broken in some way. The health drains aren't worthwhile after about level 30, the nano pool drains are completely worthless, the AC drains take so many NCU's they're effectively broken, and so on. After 14.2 changes overequipping and crits, the *only* role traders are going to have in a party, their only effective ability, will be that team heal.

So, yes, maybe trader's healing is overpowered compared to docs -- the damage effect is too small, and the DOTs don't stack like they should. But so many other trader abilities are broken that, if they change the healing, they'll need to do some major fixes on other aspects of the class to make it worthwhile. If trader health drains are broken and overpowered, it just makes up for all the other trader drains that are broken and under-powered. If you fix one, fix them all.

[Zarenic]

Maybe i didn't go into enough depth of the situation for you. The fact that the trader had to save my ass was what i was getting at. I couldn't do it with my own heals, because of course they were not healing near enough, the trader had to step in and heal for me. And more efficently I might add. Sure, he might lost what? 86 pts of health on a dot? Give me a break, that lost hp is regained and then some in no time with his team heal. Some sort of trade off alright, that's like saying if I gave nickel i'd get a dollar back. Well anyway, what i was saying is if I could even come close to healing as well as a trader can, I wouldn't need him to save my ass(aren't doctors suppose to be the masters of healing anyway?). Sorry I didn't go into enough detail for you, maybe now you can understand. k thx ~_^

Milan "Zenforth" Laurence
96 Doc
Omni-Pol RK 1

[Greenhawk]

Originally posted by Letah
That's a nice idea; problem is that all classes have very different heals. I do not know the game you speak of but it seems everyone got the same heals there with a different effciency. Sounds great but no way FC will change it

You're probably right, Letah... they won't change it. However, it would be mind numbingly easy for them to do it if they wanted to.

[Letah]

Hehe it took me a year of spamming FC and in the Eps Purge thread with you my fellow docs to get 1 reply from Cosmik saying he'll fix it asap.. well it was done asap but not how we liked it to be fixed, they made it an offensive 8.5s cast lvl 190+ nano *sigh*

Ah well, I'll keep bumping this post until we get at least a reply, fending off the traders who feel they are attacked meanwhile



btw, read the post in doc-forum, FC mailed a fellow doc back that heals are absolute a random number between min and max, so uhm.. damn

[__________Terranigma]

You traders are one hell of a arrogant people where in you're name trader does it has anything to do with the stuff u get. you guys are so overpoweed that it's actually affecting you're mind and making you feel that you're more important then any other class.

I repeat again!

Traders :
root , calm , comp lit buff , massive team heals , many self skill buffs , wrangles , grid , can get a ql 200 shotgun at level 100 that deals masses of damage , then u guys get those tradeskills as well.

Doctors :
heal ,hp buff and pathetic hot that drains masses of ncu, grid , very sparse buffs , debuff

now back tot he stupid name

Doctors means people who are skilled in healing

Trader means people who are skilled in trading

now why is the person that is trading able to heal more then the person who is specialised to heal it just doesn't make any sense.

and plz you say trade you're life for the heal , but you are trading nothing but a stupid 80ish damage dot at level 160 and they don't even stack. So you can just chaincast for free.yeah eyah doc bm and mm are green , but traders get them light blue , but traders can self buff themself to cast it. Especially at higher levels with ip to spare.



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[_________________bob]

Originally posted by Terranigma
You traders are one hell of a arrogant people where in you're name trader does it has anything to do with the stuff u get. you guys are so overpoweed that it's actually affecting you're mind and making you feel that you're more important then any other class.

I don't know what you intend to achieve with this kind of comment, but whatever you do achieve is unlikely to be constructive.

I repeat again!

Repeating yourself does not make what you are saying correct or even more effective. Many of your statements have been constructively discussed earlier in this thread.

now back tot he stupid name

Doctors means people who are skilled in healing

Trader means people who are skilled in trading

now why is the person that is trading able to heal more then the person who is specialised to heal it just doesn't make any sense.

and plz you say trade you're life for the heal , but you are trading nothing but a stupid 80ish damage dot at level 160 and they don't even stack. So you can just chaincast for free.yeah eyah doc bm and mm are green , but traders get them light blue , but traders can self buff themself to cast it. Especially at higher levels with ip to spare.

Again these points have been discussed earlier. I invite you to address those posts, otherwise this thread will go around in circles forever.

[Mercatura]

Another problem is all the nerf-mongers trying to appear they are not nerf-mongers.