n00bs and pvp. (idea :) )

[____________Meligant]

Originally posted by besheba
ill have plenty of time to say "hither to" and "hail"

and "prethie to thou"

when i am 200

Besheba... between your "response" to my post and this I am almost lost for words. I understand your point.

"To play the PvP game you need to do like Besheba did or GET OUT!"

I really don't see how that gets MORE people involved in PvP. I have a big stick, egotistical-elitism will not expand PvP and Roleplaying in this game. Why would anyone want to be like that?

I'm not asking for NERFS or anything. I simply make observations about the game. Low level twinks ruin the "experience" for low level characters up to level 55ish. FACT. After a noobie gets owned in 3 shots at level 25 when he first tries PvP the result is "well that sucks..he was my level..he must have been cheating. I am not doing that again."

Not me but this is what happens to too many players that try PvP.

[_____________Wenzell]

There should be a max title u could get at lower lvl to discourage all these low level twinking and bad experience for new pvper.

Make it something liek this
lvl 1-50 - highest title obtainable = freshman
lvl 51-74 - .... = Rookie

Once you hit rookie and want to achieve higher title, go lvl up to 75 and fight the big boys.

[____________Meligant]

Originally posted by Ukkonen
ok...now this is getting silly...

why shouldn't people who go out and get the best armor and weapons kill someone who doesn't have it and quickly?

that's like saying that you shouldn't be able to kill a slow naked native chucking rocks out you even though you spent the money and time getting an armalite and full kevlar body suit...

fact of the matter is, people who are lazy and people who don't have the time to put into the game are not going to excel at certain aspects. there is nothing that you can do about that...

crying nerf won't fix anything...it'll just make it so that all the whiny crybabies are the only ones left in the game...

I don't look at it like a rock vs a Kevlar vest. I look at it like this:

Self equipt player using gear that HE could get himself or buy without ANY higher level character GIVING him stuff/credits wearing Armor that gives him ACs about 20 times his level (a fair amount without getting into implant stacking) using a weapon that is possible to equip with his own buffs or maybe a small wrangle. ---This is what I would consider "the norm" and a fair comparison. I might be doing more to get better armor, implants, weapons, etc but that is me I twink harder.

Put this person up against someone of "equal skill" but who has a twinked to max character. We'll leave class aside.

So we have more of a MP5 Navy vs a Colt (counter-strike comparison) one player has a vest the other has a vest, helmet, and some leg and arm protection.

Should the uber twink drop the "responsibly equipped" player in 5 shots? Doesn't that sound silly? Does that sound like something other other 90% of the player base wants to get involved in? Hey! I want more PvP action too. I want forts, PvP quests, and more and more reasons to fight back some clanner scum instead of the grid/mission campers we have today. I want PvP to be wanted by the masses but the above example is why is hasn't. Done.

[Letah]

Originally posted by ULTRA1
letah, don't know why you'd mind an over-equiping nurf if you are a REAL ROLE PLAYER. After all Real role players don't sleep with their guns and night. Real role players take their guns off before entering bars and towns. Real role players don't need to live in their armor.

I'm sorry but obviously you did not read my post -fully-. Let me quote myself (gah why im doing this even):

"nerfs are not the way to stop these people. "

Also, who didnt say I PVP? Rookie Letah, Rookie Sevine are 2 of my chars.. hmmm says enough I think. /played on Letah gives 70 days.. hmm lvl 132... says enough how often I RP eh? I know 150s with 20 days. Did I ever say I was a real RP-er? NO. I commented on besheba's post. Do I feel like a roleplayer? yes. Do I take my ql200 elite armour off? Naah, that would take too much money to get it back on. I can RP with that black suit nicely

I pvp more in this game then I hunt/mission, because I like it. Im even flamed a lot because they say I gank. I do it from the RP view: kill all clanners on sight, we are at war. Everything is allowed. Too bad not all people are rp-ers. Letah can often be found teamed/together with Willibolli, Fopus, Steffani etc, if you know them (2h0). They may not rp but I do, and 2h0 is a great place.

[_______________Orion]

this game is about the ability to get uber, this game is about ruling over thoose who dont get uber IT IS THE POINT OF THE GAME,

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[__________SuupaSayen]

In case you didn't realize it I'm no carebear. I'm what someone called 'reasonably equiped'. At level 19 I have a 43 gun and 43-46 omni pol white. I'm no idiot and I've been playing this game for months but a level 12 using a 100+ gun is just plain not right. I don't care how much work it took, its just not right. At least IMO.

[__________NicholaSix]

Letah, I read your post fully. You and I are pretty much the same, I have Ultra1 level 120something played many hours with, PVP, missions, hunting the whole gammet, role playing and yes I too PVP for story reasons, I too sleep in my armor, which i dare not remove, same with the gun.

I have some well twinked PVP noobs.

Proposed over-equiping nurfs won't effect many players above 120, and will put a greater emphisis on skill over gear. It will effect the mid and low level pvp game that I am very fond of too, esp the sub 50 game, but also the 50-74 game too. This is the time people start PVPing. 90% of the current 10-74 game is twinks. Some people don't do it as well as others, but there are some that can't do it at all. Furthermore, this nonsense about takeing the time and effort to build a twink should have it's rewards is pure BS. The gear and money they get they should not have, and new players do not have access to these same advantages. It's not that they may or may not know how to do it, they just CAN'T.

You may not consider floating a player 6 million cr and a full kit of gear and nanos cheating. I don't. But it does have a noticeable effect on new players attitudes to PVP, and I want to get those people playing in the high game. They won't if all they do is get beaten down like dogs over and over.

Remember we have a head start, besheba, you, me all of us have been around for a LONG TIME. We know how to ladder implants to gear up, we know how to stack buffs. We know which weapons have the best crits, what nanos are the most effective and how to get ourselves buffed. EVEN WITHOUT the over-equiped weapons armor and yes even implants we still have a HUGE advantage over the newer players.

I want to find a way to get them to stick around a bit, and to feel like even trying to be competitive. Honestly, if you just bought the game, played a few weeks, decided to give PVP a shot and ran into one of your own twinks would you pvp again, or would you turn into some PUD like scorus or valarian or falcon?

[Deskclerk]

Originally posted by SuupaSayen
In case you didn't realize it I'm no carebear. I'm what someone called 'reasonably equiped'. At level 19 I have a 43 gun and 43-46 omni pol white. I'm no idiot and I've been playing this game for months but a level 12 using a 100+ gun is just plain not right. I don't care how much work it took, its just not right. At least IMO.

i agree i feel if you can keep the buffs up then your shoild be abvle to weild it the problem coems when you can get a gun on loose the buffs but still use the gun, as i said earlie rthe icon should go red same as a yalmaha does when u zone and that item should no longer have the ability to use

the problem is that the same people who whine about pvp being full of gankers over equip them selves also , maybe not to the point of others, but they do so they will never argue for my point on this issue. so in conclusion on this point if you wanna keep over equiping and using items over your level then you have to accept the fact that when u enter pvp somone will probably be even more so over equiped, unless you spent the time to do it which you have every opourtunity to do as well but choose not totherefore u have to remain silent on that issue and stop crying or you can call for the end of over equiping with out maintaining the buffs to get the items on and used. IF YOU DO NOT PICK ONE OF THEESE stances on over equiping then u need to STFU and get equiped, stay away form pvp or go into pvp and die.

you can not expect the others who have every right to do somthing not to do it cause you want a chance to pvp with out putting the time needed to equip that they do or you have to call for an end to over equiping period. THAT IS SOCIALISM, and this game is far from a socialistic type game

[Deskclerk]

Originally posted by ULTRA1

You may not consider floating a player 6 million cr and a full kit of gear and nanos cheating. I don't. But it does have a noticeable effect on new players attitudes to PVP, and I want to get those people playing in the high game. They won't if all they do is get beaten down like dogs over and over.

Remember we have a head start, besheba, you, me all of us have been around for a LONG TIME. We know how to ladder implants to gear up, we know how to stack buffs. We know which weapons have the best crits, what nanos are the most effective and how to get ourselves buffed. EVEN WITHOUT the over-equiped weapons armor and yes even implants we still have a HUGE advantage over the newer players.

just to let u know, i have not been around that long i bought this game third week of september, couldnt get it loaded and playable for mor ethen 20 mins a untill first week of november.

i had no RL freinds higfer to help me out i di it all alone untill i switched to clan, you guys were awesome and helped a great deal but as u well know i was level 18 when i switched about 3 weeks before xmas

[Laeni]

Originally posted by besheba
ill have plenty of time to say "hither to" and "hail"

and "prethie to thou"

when i am 200

HAHAAHAHAHAHAH! That's what you think roleplaying is? ROFL!

/me wipes my tears from laughing so hard.

It's obvious. You don't have a CLUE as to what roleplaying is. Roleplaying is putting yourself into your character. For example on the in character board I have written a story about Laeni, a little about her history. See I know who she is, where she came from, why she thinks the way she does.

Now I don't claim to be the best roleplayer. But when I decide to roleplay I think I do a pretty good job. One night a guy and I had a conversation in the bar in Tir about ice cream imported from Earth. I told him that my trader father had been able to get some for me when I was a child. He told me that he had come from Earth. I told him that I had been born in Tir.

And we had our entire conversation in character. (And please note, there wasn't a thee or a hither to in the entire conversation)

See once you reach 200, I think you won't know what to do with yourself. Because you really DON'T know how to roleplay. And this is a roleplaying game. It's sad really.

I can always decide when I reach a certain level to twink myself and enter pvp. But you, once you reach 200 how are you going to roleplay? Do you know anything about your character's history? Do you know what motivates your character? Does your character have any family? Was your character a colonist or born on Rubi-Ka? Will you even care once you've reach 200?

This game is not just a shoot-em-up game. If it were, why would there be apartments? Why social clothes? Why bars and nightclubs? Why dance emotes? Obviously one is meant to do MORE than just shoot at each other in this game. Of course if you don't want to do more, that's your right but don't put those of us down who want to experience the ENTIRE game and not just one segment of it.

You are missing so much. But that's your decision.

[_______V.T. Stampede]

Originally posted by Wenzell
There should be a max title u could get at lower lvl to discourage all these low level twinking and bad experience for new pvper.

Make it something liek this
lvl 1-50 - highest title obtainable = freshman
lvl 51-74 - .... = Rookie

Once you hit rookie and want to achieve higher title, go lvl up to 75 and fight the big boys.

Most reasonable idea i've heard in a loooooong time.
I'd stop thos twinker/twinkettes from staying that low lvl- pvp isn't too unbalanced in teh 100+ range ;D (one reason is because equipment is capped at QL 200).

[Letah]

Hmm indeed an exellent idea. No more lvl 10 Apprentice traders

[__________NicholaSix]

Originally posted by GOA


Most reasonable idea i've heard in a loooooong time.
I'd stop thos twinker/twinkettes from staying that low lvl- pvp isn't too unbalanced in teh 100+ range ;D (one reason is because equipment is capped at QL 200).

I like that idea too. Wezell's idea has a lot of merrit, but what about the current sub 50 apprentices and novices, and what about the fact that some classes just suck post 75 and don't ever unsuck again, such as MAs and ADVs?

[_____________Wenzell]

Let the current <lvl 75 apprentices/novices keep their titles of course. Some of them really put in the effort and earned it.
On the other hand, they shouldnt be able to gain more pvp points / next title (so there will only be losing points/titles for them unfortunately).

As for class difference post 75, I dont think theres a really INFERIOR class. I could still see apprentice MAs/Advs/Fixers running around. MAs and Fixers get their boost next patch, and Advs are always good if they pick the right weapon, they have very nice healing (100% healing vs 50% damage u know it) and a nova/flashpoint or beam or Big-crit shotty Adv is very powerful.


No doubt, the liimitation of titles at lower level will bring better experience to new players

[__________NicholaSix]

I'm all for that. There still needs to be an overequiping nurf though, where if your buffs run down and you can't meet the weapon stats, the weapon becomes less useful.

Armor, Imlpants, all that jazz doesn't bother me as much but the gun overequiping is silly. Part of the problem is funcom making guns with only 1 req.

Title isn't the only reason there are little level 10 punks with ql120 shotguns, a lot of people do it for the rise they get off others.