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  1. #121
    In other words Jynne, you want the sentinels to lie to you like all the politicians do, you want them to make outrageous claims that no one can truly live up to. promising you peace for example, you and I know there will never be peace as long as humans are alive, if your democracy can change the hearts of thousands upon thousands of people then maybe it wouldn't be such a bad thing. The reality however is that it can't happen, the sentinels stand for order, it's not quite the same as true peace but it is a more realistic thing. Human inclination will simply gravitate to what is wrong and what is "bad", that is why a set of people are needed to generally give the public a prod in the right direction. Call it Omni tactics, call it what you will, but fact is it will be needed, because as long as people have too much freedom, they will abuse it, I even have to go to clan history on this one. The clans as we all know started simply as cheap labor to Omni-Tek, however over time, the clans simply said we don't want to make Omni-Tek's lives easier, we want freedom....

    The clans rose up, they fought Omni-Tek for their rights as individuals to exist on their own on the planet they "loved" They conquered an Omni City and called it their own, not to mention made political and military movements that had gained much land after that, eventually sprouting Tir and other noted clan cities. The clans had a good deal of land, not to mention over time, a lot of omni employees decided they were tired of corporate living and they swelled the clans ranks. The clans outnumber Omni Tek by 2 or 3 to 1. We have the most powerful guilds, we control highly sophisticated weaponry and armors. Whatever sense of peace there was to be had was right in front of us...but as I said, human hearts wouldn't allow for it. The clans pressed on, and eventually turned in on themselves, the council of truth was a sad reality of this. They offered a voice for the clans that many simply didn't agree with, it's stance on neutrals and the ICC even made many council members break off and go their own way. Strife ensued and political unrest, eventually leading to the scandal with the Dust Brigade and the dissolution of the council was soon to follow. This shook the clans in a way that I believe they have yet to recover, the ICC sent guards to guard our cities..hahahahah we all know how THAT turned out.


    Then we had the CoA, an attempt to merge the clans together into some sort of Military/Political party. I admit, I thought this idea could work, and was even in a guild that supported the CoA at the time. However the human heart reared it's head again. Strife ripped through the CoA, struggles for power, disagreements on how to direct the entire thing came up and a host of other problems that plague political movements. Tir was eventually overrun by omni pol patrollers and other omni militant forces, and don't cry that neutrals were innocent, I knew a few who stirred up trouble during the times they could walk freely through our capitol. Enter the Sentinels, they swept in at our darkest hour and cleansed Tir of those who threatened it's beauty. All seemed fine until Fisk made his stance on neutral oh so clear in a very candid interview. it sent the clans in an uproar, the small sense of order the sentinels brought, was rocked because a couple of them killed neutrals. It's become a stigma that the sentinels have yet to recover from, even though only a few truly feel this way, the rest are just following orders. However, in spite of this, many guards have been targetted randomly by radical clanspersons who call themselves, moderates...cause I guess they enjoy moderate killing, and they viciously slay these guards for their own personal glories, and call it a democratic movement.
    The human heart at work again.


    Which brings us to EndGame..the name in itself speaks so much about them, a group of immature hippy spoiled children who think the future of the clans is a game. Who think it is a contest to be won by the most popular among them, like some highschool soiree. They claim to want to bring democracy to the clans, and yet their efforts have only produced some dead guards, a list of empty promises and their members somehow not agreeing on the course of action their alliance should take in the recent notum wars, etc. In short their tale has yet to be written, but still, the human heart is fast at work already. These moderates, label the Sentinels as vicious tyrants and thugs because they've shot a few neutrals. They can think of nothing else to stick to the sentinels besides this stigma. However many of these moderates engage in random killing of their own, I have not seen one of them refute this fact. I even recall the endgame alliance raiding the temple of three winds, slaughtering those inside for their treasures..the followers of this cult had made no aggressions to any side of the conflict, nor let out any word of such aggression. in effect they were neutral. In EndGame's eyes however...it's quite alright as long as they gain something from it. Until they can justify their own murderous ways, I suggest they pick a new target, the sentinels are no more or less than what you are. At least however, they don't lie about their nature, and to me that speaks volumes about their character.
    "Did I tell you that you could speak?....then why are you still talking?."

  2. #122
    (oh and by the way, if there was no conflict whatsoever in the game, it would quickly turn into the sims online, then you wouldn't complain about the hatred, you'd be complaining about the Sexx0ring ))
    "Did I tell you that you could speak?....then why are you still talking?."

  3. #123
    Originally posted by Savoy
    I find it deeply disappointing that you'd sooner see the odd neutral killed by the Sentinel guards than risk Omni citizens walking freely in Tir. But then even during the Amnesty there were hard, hate filled people on both sides who clamoured for a return to war. And they won.

    Savoy
    Quoting out of context is a low blow, Savoy. I also said that better than nothing doesn't equate to good enough.

    I'd rather not see Neutrals getting killed and still having Omnis kept out of Tir. But, the ICC wasn't keeping Omnis out of Tir. Not even armed patrols of Omni-Pol troops who were checking IDs and looking to make roundups of Clanners.

    So given the choice between Neutrals being shot by the Sentinels - which, yes, is a bad thing - or Omni-Pol and Omni-AF marching through the streets while the ICC stands around watching, I'll take the Sentinels and hope they can be convinced to lighten up on the Neutrals.

    I think there's a much better chance of getting the Sentinels to act like a responsible government than there ever was of getting the ICC, which is partially under the thumb of Omni-Tek, to bar Omni-Tek's military forces from doing whatever they wanted in Tir - and the rest of the North.
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  4. #124
    Do we finally have a believer!?
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  5. #125
    Originally posted by Jynne
    Quoting out of context is a low blow, Savoy. I also said that better than nothing doesn't equate to good enough.

    I'd rather not see Neutrals getting killed and still having Omnis kept out of Tir. But, the ICC wasn't keeping Omnis out of Tir. Not even armed patrols of Omni-Pol troops who were checking IDs and looking to make roundups of Clanners.

    So given the choice between Neutrals being shot by the Sentinels - which, yes, is a bad thing - or Omni-Pol and Omni-AF marching through the streets while the ICC stands around watching, I'll take the Sentinels and hope they can be convinced to lighten up on the Neutrals.

    I think there's a much better chance of getting the Sentinels to act like a responsible government than there ever was of getting the ICC, which is partially under the thumb of Omni-Tek, to bar Omni-Tek's military forces from doing whatever they wanted in Tir - and the rest of the North.
    And there we go again, you see the ICC has the hand of OT, I see the ICC as the saviours of the clans, the people who gave you reclaim insurance technology. I venture you to guess to died once or twice, with out the ICC we would not be having this conversation at all! I really fail to see why you should trust the thugish Sentinels over the brave men and women of the ICC who, despite being a constantly used as target practice, still try hard to clean up the mess OT and clan have made of this planet.
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  6. #126
    I'm sorry. But, Rubi'Ka used to be a hell of a lot more interesting before this assinine 'conflict' started. At least there was intrigue and inuendo.

    Now, I might as well wake up in the morning and stick a gun to my ear and pull the trigger just to get things started. It's all so absolutely and utterly childish. I find it difficult to believe that supposed 'leaders' allow the planet to exist in this state of kindergarten mayhem. It's embarrassing to think we're all humans.

    I got no problem with war. We don't have war. We have idiocy.

    I had thought that mankind had evolved beyond this. When war is waged it doesn't look like this. I saw a snake steal the eggs of seabird on the cliffs near Home and suck on the fluid forming embryo of the yet-to-be-born. I couldn't decide if the action reminded more of Clan or Omni or Neutral. How can God judge a war when everyone is bad?

    What goes on in Tir and Newland and Omni Trade is all fodder for being sent straight to hell when judged by your maker. There's no War on Rubi'Ka, just pornographic indulgeance of the baser evil instincts of people's libidos.

    The 'conflict' used to interest me. Now, it disgusts me. I used to be captivated. Now, I'm numb.

    My longing for the scientists to finish their construction of and research in Jobe is based firmly on my desire to leave the idiots behind. The myopic, the brain-washed, the bloodthirsty, the soulless, moralless, purposeless killers, behind.

    "Oh, let me look at your ID card. OK, everything checks out. I'm going to shoot you now."

    "If you ain't with me, yer against me."

    "Shoot first ask questions later."

    All of ya. Some day, you'll become accountable for your actions. Life isn't a game. Actions have consequences. Maybe on on Rubi'ka. But, that's because the inmates now run the asylum. Our fathers and mothers are gone. No doubt disgusted by our inability to control our bodily functions.

  7. #127
    You're an atrox, so don't hope to get far in Jobe. Oh and by the way, I think I will shoot you now because you talk too much. Silly boy, war is a reality of life, it happens, it will happen, you can not avoid it nor anyone else, the same dna which hath wrought you is plagued with the inclinations of pure malice and destruction. That is why it's all the more important to bring order..hiding under a rock and talking about it won't get you anywhere. You can complain about it as much as you wish, or you can actively do something about it..you wanna preach about good and evil, well..I knew a person like that, but she is a reclusive old nutcase named Shizara, you sound just like her, maybe you should date hahahahahahaha in the mean time, smell the plasma, because war can't be wished away.
    "Did I tell you that you could speak?....then why are you still talking?."

  8. #128
    Originally posted by Lexusstreak
    In other words Jynne, you want the sentinels to lie to you like all the politicians do, you want them to make outrageous claims that no one can truly live up to. <snips a bunch of stuff>
    No, Lexus. I want them to either start acting like a responsible government, or else make way for someone who will. Guarding the city is good. But it alone is not enough.

    If the Sentinels want to be the Clan government then aren't they trying to work with the Clans? Why aren't they doing anything to serve their people? Why aren't they providing social and economic services like schools and hospitals and trade agreements and press conferences and a diplomatic corps? If it's the government's responsibility to save the people from themselves and be a guardian of society against the darkness of the human heart... then you have to agree with me that the Sentinels are failing spectacularly at that. They are indulging in that darkness and encouraging it in others, not saving us from it.

    And, if they don't want to be the Clan government and just want to fight Omnis, then what are they doing sitting around on their butts in Tir instead of heading south and laying seige to Rome or Omni-1? I know they're a militaristic organization. Why not move on to the next military objective and let the politically inclined Clans piece together a functional government in their wake?

    I will respond to, and fully quote, this piece on behalf of my organization:
    Which brings us to EndGame..the name in itself speaks so much about them, a group of immature hippy spoiled children who think the future of the clans is a game. Who think it is a contest to be won by the most popular among them, like some highschool soiree. They claim to want to bring democracy to the clans, and yet their efforts have only produced some dead guards, a list of empty promises and their members somehow not agreeing on the course of action their alliance should take in the recent notum wars, etc. In short their tale has yet to be written, but still, the human heart is fast at work already. These moderates, label the Sentinels as vicious tyrants and thugs because they've shot a few neutrals. They can think of nothing else to stick to the sentinels besides this stigma. However many of these moderates engage in random killing of their own, I have not seen one of them refute this fact. I even recall the endgame alliance raiding the temple of three winds, slaughtering those inside for their treasures..the followers of this cult had made no aggressions to any side of the conflict, nor let out any word of such aggression. in effect they were neutral. In EndGame's eyes however...it's quite alright as long as they gain something from it. Until they can justify their own murderous ways, I suggest they pick a new target, the sentinels are no more or less than what you are. At least however, they don't lie about their nature, and to me that speaks volumes about their character.
    EndGame does not have "democracy for the Clans" as a stated goal of the alliance as of this writing. Some individuals who are members of EndGame guilds have made statements to the effect that it is their personal goal, but they do not speak on behalf of their organizations, let alone their allies. It is not in the slightest a goal of Unity of the Rose, at least, to impose any sort of government, democratic or not, onto others.

    EndGame stands firmly united on the topic of the Notum Wars. Anyone who's attempted to assault one of our member organization's bases can testify to that.

    [OOC: As for TOTW, that's a low blow, since frankly it's impractical to be a lowbie without going there at least a few times. If nothing else the lowbie uber-lewts from in there are almost required for the creation of viable pvp twinks to fight low level NW at this juncture.]

    Attacking the Sentinels in any violent manner is not the official action or policy of the EndGame alliance in any way, shape, or form. In fact I believe the most serious and most violent opponents of the Sentinels, such as Nelida and Fixerben, are not involved with the alliance at all.
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  9. #129
    (LOL perhaps but players should be accountable for their treatment of npcs as should an npc be accountable for what they do to players, if sentinels killing neutrals is appaling, then how can citizens do the same to temple dwellers and it not be seen as equally barbaric? hehe))
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  10. #130
    Originally posted by Savoy
    And there we go again, you see the ICC has the hand of OT, I see the ICC as the saviours of the clans, the people who gave you reclaim insurance technology. I venture you to guess to died once or twice, with out the ICC we would not be having this conversation at all! I really fail to see why you should trust the thugish Sentinels over the brave men and women of the ICC who, despite being a constantly used as target practice, still try hard to clean up the mess OT and clan have made of this planet.
    Actually, I see the ICC's interventions on Rubi-Ka primarily as the work of Thru-Space Networks and Sol Banking Corporation, attempting to get in on the notum mining action.

    Most of the ICC's members in general probably feel that having a monopoly on notum makes Omni-Tek too powerful and too rich and too influential, and so - with the ICC "peacekeeping" as a mask - they have successfully loosened that monopoly (via the shoretened lease and the current deregulation situation) and are probably working to end it altogether.

    So most of what the ICC has done on behalf of the Clans has been to advance the interests of other hypercorporations, who'd like nothing more than to become what Omni-Tek is now.

    And, the presence of OT as a major member in the ICC also means that they are very suspect in actually guarding the Clans from OT, militarily. As I said... Omni-Pol and Omni-AF came marching through Tir harrassing Clanners, and the ICC Peacekeepers didn't even complain.
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  11. #131
    Originally posted by Lexusstreak
    (LOL perhaps but players should be accountable for their treatment of npcs as should an npc be accountable for what they do to players, if sentinels killing neutrals is appaling, then how can citizens do the same to temple dwellers and it not be seen as equally barbaric? hehe))
    OOC - yeah it's inconsistent. But I've always felt that mob killing was essentially an OOC activity. It's just impossible that anyone could reach upper levels without becoming a warped and twisted psychopathic killer (if they didn't start out that way) otherwise.

    If you reasonably could level in fashions other than killing stuff, I'd revise my opinion, but the only way to level is to kill stuff.
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  12. #132
    ((You'll see that I'm nudging towards the Shadowlands and the hopes of a Faction system. Rubi'Ka really makes no sense. There's no war. Just gangs of hoodlums running around knocking down stuff. Likewise, you can do whatever you want without repurcussions. Lord, give me the days of UO and the 'reds'. Wanna do something bad? Get marked as bad. Hell, I had some 'bad' characters on UO and lived with the consequences. I don't like the fact that AO is a breeding ground for imaturity and that it gives props to bad, meaning abberantly disrespectful, behavior. The fact the Sentinels are in Tir is a direct result of the 'mainstream' Clanners desire to be 'uber' and rule the planet. FunCom has gone as far as to state such. They were bending to the will of the players (read: Synergy Factor, Lion's Den, et. al at the time) who simply wanted to be violent and espoused the 'if you ain't with me, yer against me' line of juvenile thinking.

    I think FunCom might have seen the error of their way of catering to people who really don't give a damn about the game but rather only their loot sacks and levels. We see some of these same peoples teaming with the 'other side' to get their uber loot and basically not caring a lick about Rubi'Ka or anything for that matter other than the next raid. These are to be valued customers, mind you. But, they only deserve as much respect back as the effort they put into the game.

    The people on this forum, the large RP orgs, the majority of the Neutral population. They all care deeply about the game. If there were something they could do to improve the game, they would do so, even if it meant no uber loot or no levels for two weeks.

    Likewise, these are the people who actually care about what goes on in the game with respect to the people who are controlled by scripts and AI. How many of us have gone every patch to check out Marvin to see when we'll finally be able to help him earn the love of Marvilette? We care about the Thugs in Newland in terms of social acceptability and morality. These other people only care that they can't pull missions from Hope or it makes it harder to gank the pissant level 20 Neutral towers outside Newland.

    I'm currently investigating my character's total feelings of disillusionment. He went from the mines of Clon**** to the War Academy in Athen Shire ... to a long period of introspection in the Plains of Salt. Finally, he decided he was in it for himself and joined Elite Operations to take care of number one. Now, nothing seems to matter on this planet except killing each other over and over and over and over and over for no apparent reason. Hence his non-stop attention to the rumor mill with respect to a potential opportunity to leave this filthy black patch of non-accountable violence behind. Rubi'Ka used to be interesting. Notum Wars has made it boring as it seems the Story people feel they don't have to work anymore. I really felt let down by them the day Ross and Radiman ended their chess game.

    Go talk to the NPC's in Trade if you want to feel let down by the Story people. Whatever happened to Eva Pourois?

    If the game is destined to degrade into just a 'game', at least I'm hoping Shadowlands will be better than what we have on Rubi'Ka. Sue me. I'm a gamer as well as a man with a conscience. That combination sucks on Rubi'Ka and you all know it. No towers, no loot, underpowered allies. I don't like a game that forces you to sell your soul to achieve. Used to be you could just 'work' and achieve goals. Not anymore. You gotta be a jerk.

    Yeah, I'm roleplaying. So when I chirp on about all the killing, it's in-character. But, just a bit colored by the turn the tone of the game has taken lately.

    Guess it's time for a

    ))

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