Originally Posted by
Gatester
Someone says neutrals should not PVP as if all neutrals were intended to be pacifists and I say they are wrong.
Someone brings an online dictionary into the argument to shut me up and you criticized me for doing the same to prove it was a stupid thing to do.
Someone tries to twist the point of my post around with a witty little comment, and I take the opportunity to prove how their comment could work against them with a rather long post.
You misunderstood my diagram, and I did not criticize you for it because it was a poor representation, and my explaination was only given in the manner it was because of your previous reaction to my use of the dictionary example. You were also incorrect, as neutrals are not the cast-outs or rejects from clan and omni. I cannot fathom how you consider Jobe and ICC cast-outs in any form.
You keep telling us to "push for a third faction" and I point out to you that neither the lore nor the mechanics of this game require or support either. If you are allowed to question me then how I am not entitled to the same rights against you? If you do not like the "tone" of my posts then I suggest you and the others try adjusting the tone of your own, or did you not notice that I merely attempted to match those before me? I have no issue with being equally demeaning or sarcastic as anyone else.
You want to claim game lore does not support neutrals having a neck item. I clearly pointed out that there is precedent in the game's lore for the opposite, and that based on lore alone neutrals would have a proper neck item, but you have ignored my information from the database and have yet to post information of your own to counter my comments.
You want to claim the game would be better off without neutrals, when it could actually be worse for the reasons I described. Imagine battlestation PVP participation without this third group to get the matches started. Imagine tower wars without a weaker third group which could be attacked to build momentum and confidence for the main factions to attack each other. The population of AO could not support a two faction only gameplay in PVP, the best way for it to survive would be to leave it as is or to remove factions entirely. This IS my opinion, yes, but I feel very strongly that this is accurate due to my experience over the years.
The worst part is we are also not asking neutrals to be put at the same level as clan and omni, even I stated several times that this would break several PVP aspects of AO. What we are asking for does not require neutrals to be made into a third faction, the boards would still be weaker but better than they are now. What is wrong with neutrals still being inferior but having a slightly better neck item option?
I used the term clueless because you failed to accept the information I was giving which was straight from the AO's database. When you suggest making a third faction it shows you have not considered what would happen if that became true. When you call neutrals "cast-outs" it just proves even more that you are not viewing what neutrals are accurately. If anyone is going to use the game's story to prove their point then be expected to deal with a rough debate. Criticizing my approach to arguing does not make me wrong, but failing to support your own claims certainly does not make you right.