Idea about a game for everyone

I just had some insperation and i had to share it.


The reason MMORPGS suck is they cant appeal to everyone, there is not enough cash, time, personale, or equipment. Like any business AO only cares about the majority of its customers when a large decision is made. Every person that renews his/her account each month just add's a vote that AO is generally good and fun. Thats the only REAL poll that FunCom has to care about, as long as there are enough people subscribing then they only need to make cosmetic changes to the game. This saves money time and many other resources.

So you have a few options regarding this: you can quit, you can stay.

"But if we quit then the game will dissapear and we havent made anything better"

Thats a lie. If the game goes under, then so be it, Funcom knew these games were very addicting. Funcom is also a small business, what a perfect combonation. An addicting game that in essence is easy to mantain and keep working, that is constantly bringing in money. MMORPGS are like freaking "cyber dimaond mines." Sure some work is needed but its so minute that the revenues more than pay for the work you have to do. This is why I tend to liken games like AO to a drug, much like cocaine or heroion (sp?). Even better would be ciggeretts, and as a former smoker I think that fits the best.

Think about it like this, how many people love Limp Bizket, or BSB's or Brittany Spears? Millions upon millions. This in its self means these bands appeal to the lowest common denominator of people. In other words, the music these groups produce is easily understood, easilly accepted, and easily sold. People find a small outlet from reality in these people. Limp Bizket says its okay to be angry and hate everything, since most people ARE angry the band is well liked. Brittany Spears is a sexual goddess, but she's also the "good girl gone bad" the reason she sells her records to girls predominatly is simple. Young girls have horiable self esteem, can you blame them, this world is throughly based on the physical. So it dosent matter, in the end, if they are good or nice or friendly, because the good looking girls will always be with the guys, minus the few random exceptions.

To continue the music metaphore, BSB tells girls that "it dosent matter what your like, we will love you." Brittany tells them "I was like you, but men only want one thing and you know what? Its fun to give in and give them what they want!" While Limpy is proclaming "your all dumb mother fvckers and only us 'pimps' matter" Talk about a circle of opinions. If you want to get laied by a girl now a days, yes, its alot easier. The dorkiest man on these forums could snag a hot woman, if only superficially. Well all this is good for the average man or woman, i mean most people have no desire to think about why things happen or the concequences of actions, or why certian people tell them to do certian things. I cant really blame them, the worlds a sad depressing place all in all. What with 50 million wars in 300 million countrys involving 7 billion people. Its a hell of alot easier to just go with the flow and drink your beer, look at your porn, placate your girlfriend into fvcking you, then going to bed. Perhaps with a small dose of kicking the hell out of people you dont like added for flavor.

Whats the point of all this? Well, untill the community gets its collective head out of its collective ass and quits playing these pathetic excueses for videogames. Then you have no right to expect anything more than the absolute baseline. Some of you are trying to pull your heads out, but many more are just too happy where they are, i mean what if the air out side the "ass" smells worse than inside? Perhaps if enough of us got together and made our OWN company and made our OWN game and said "Fvck the conventions and the easy path," then we'd definatly see a game worth playing. Oh well its the eternal debate, Is it better to be happy and ignorant, or sad and knowledgable. I dont have much choice in the matter, i think too much about things wether i want to or not =P

Dont pick games because other people like them, pick games because you like them. And, if you dont like the game everyone else likes then it dosent make you less of a person, just a different person. Is that such a bad thing? Imagine if everyone was the same.... Like big companys wish we were, man they'd make so much more cash. Replace "game" with anything else in those last few sentences. This is gunna sound cheezy as hell, and i'm gunna loose half the people that read this far, but "Be yourself" lame i know, but its true, and if the truth is lame, then so be it. I, personally, would rather be lame than too afraid to accept truth when i see it.

So in closing, this wasnt a flame, if you like anything that you think i insulted then know my intentions werent to insult. But if my opinions, as a totaly random annomous person are insulting you, then maby deep down you know i'm right?

And a final bit of wisdom, "Anyone will do anything with the proper motivation"

Yes I will debate that =P (I spell like a fool, and my grammar is just as bad, so if you want to discredit me using those things your going to have to try harder and at least post an opinion that counters mine.)

Uhm, wow. That was pretty impressive. A bit futile, but an impressive piece of writing none-the-less.

I'm waiting on Morrowind, sigh its better writing psych thesis' than doing nothing i guess? =)

What you said was motivational, but you can't blame the people with their heads up their asses either. We're all very impressionable and often brainwashed at very early ages. Religious institutions are far more horrific to the human mind than any video game or entertainment media corporation. Conformity is often drilled into a human sponge by their parents before they have the ability to "be themselves" let alone find out who they are. Combine this with a society built on top of values that are obsolete and unproductive for a modern world, and you have a small percentage of people who are even capable of thinking like you do. Humans are only as good as society progams them to be, with a few shining stars here and there.

I hope the aliens come back and save us soon. :)

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Originally posted by Essensea
I just had some insperation and i had to share it.


The reason MMORPGS suck is they cant appeal to everyone, there is not enough cash, time, personale, or equipment. Like any business AO only cares about the majority of its customers when a large decision is made. Every person that renews his/her account each month just add's a vote that AO is generally good and fun. Thats the only REAL poll that FunCom has to care about, as long as there are enough people subscribing then they only need to make cosmetic changes to the game. This saves money time and many other resources.

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I dont think they suck, and neither do a lot of people. Just because you're jaded doesnt mean everyone else is, and neither does it mean that everyone else is sheep incapable of thinking for themselves. Too many people enjoy the hell out of these games for your statement to have any merit

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So you have a few options regarding this: you can quit, you can stay.

"But if we quit then the game will dissapear and we havent made anything better"

Thats a lie. If the game goes under, then so be it, Funcom knew these games were very addicting. Funcom is also a small business, what a perfect combonation. An addicting game that in essence is easy to mantain and keep working, that is constantly bringing in money. MMORPGS are like freaking "cyber dimaond mines." Sure some work is needed but its so minute that the revenues more than pay for the work you have to do. This is why I tend to liken games like AO to a drug, much like cocaine or heroion (sp?). Even better would be ciggeretts, and as a former smoker I think that fits the best.

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MMORPGs arent any different from any other type of video game. All could be construed as addicting to a degree, its just that MMORPGs add a social element and a non-linear style of game-play. I remember the first time I ever played Half-Life. I played it for like 3 days straight without stopping except for short sleep periods. The difference between HL and AO is that HL ends due to its linear nature.

Now for your incredible misinformed opinion that MMORPGs are easy to maintain and are a "freakin cyber diamond mine." If this is the case, then where is your data to back this up? You know no more about the economics of running an online game than you know about quantum physics. These games due to their nature are incredibly expensive and time consuming to run. Bandwidth isnt cheap. Network Engineers arent cheap. Programmers arent cheap. Support staff isnt cheap. I'm willing to bet you dont have any clue how much it costs to run just a high bandwidth web server, let alone a vast server farm hosting an online game.

Until you can back this up with some data, then I have no reason to accept your statements just on face value. Call me a skeptic, but if you are gonna make a statement like this, back it up, or at least give some info on what you are basing this claim off of. Until that time, Im gonna go with what I know about these types of things as a network engineer myself. I know how much it costs to co-locate a server at a high bandwidth facility like Exodus or Qwest data centers. I know how much it costs to pay for a staff of highly skilled professionals. I also know that these games need to charge the monthy fee to cover their overhead. Yes it is also their revenue stream, and it is a solid business model, but it is necessary to cover their massive monthly operating costs.

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Think about it like this, how many people love Limp Bizket, or BSB's or Brittany Spears? Millions upon millions. This in its self means these bands appeal to the lowest common denominator of people. In other words, the music these groups produce is easily understood, easilly accepted, and easily sold. People find a small outlet from reality in these people. Limp Bizket says its okay to be angry and hate everything, since most people ARE angry the band is well liked. Brittany Spears is a sexual goddess, but she's also the "good girl gone bad" the reason she sells her records to girls predominatly is simple. Young girls have horiable self esteem, can you blame them, this world is throughly based on the physical. So it dosent matter, in the end, if they are good or nice or friendly, because the good looking girls will always be with the guys, minus the few random exceptions.

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It is equally as falacious to argue against something due to its popular nature, as it is to argue for it. Just because their is a broad appeal to these bands, does not mean they appeal to a LCD. Millions of people also like opera. Millions of people like Country music. Millions of people like Tom Petty, etc.... Just because these bands happen to be on top of the fluid pop culture appeal, doesnt make them appeal to an LCD at all. I mean, there is certainly no accounting for taste, and personally I cant stand any of those bands (though I have no clue who BSB is). But how does this translate to MMORPGs again? oh wait, it doesnt. MMORPGs are right now a niche market. They are growing in their popularity but there is a core of people who play MMORPGs, and that is what you have as your player base. There were very few new people to MMORPGs who played AO or DAoC when they came out. They got players who were tired of EQ, AC or UO.

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To continue the music metaphore, BSB tells girls that "it dosent matter what your like, we will love you." Brittany tells them "I was like you, but men only want one thing and you know what? Its fun to give in and give them what they want!" While Limpy is proclaming "your all dumb mother fvckers and only us 'pimps' matter" Talk about a circle of opinions. If you want to get laied by a girl now a days, yes, its alot easier. The dorkiest man on these forums could snag a hot woman, if only superficially. Well all this is good for the average man or woman, i mean most people have no desire to think about why things happen or the concequences of actions, or why certian people tell them to do certian things. I cant really blame them, the worlds a sad depressing place all in all. What with 50 million wars in 300 million countrys involving 7 billion people. Its a hell of alot easier to just go with the flow and drink your beer, look at your porn, placate your girlfriend into fvcking you, then going to bed. Perhaps with a small dose of kicking the hell out of people you dont like added for flavor.

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Wow, there's so many holes in your logic I dont know where to begin. I mean I havent ever seen so much question begging and non sequitirs. I still dont see how this translates to MMORPGs. Its easy to get laid, MMORPGs are lame. People are fat and lazy and MMORPGs appeal to them...???

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Whats the point of all this? Well, untill the community gets its collective head out of its collective ass and quits playing these pathetic excueses for videogames. Then you have no right to expect anything more than the absolute baseline. Some of you are trying to pull your heads out, but many more are just too happy where they are, i mean what if the air out side the "ass" smells worse than inside? Perhaps if enough of us got together and made our OWN company and made our OWN game and said "Fvck the conventions and the easy path," then we'd definatly see a game worth playing. Oh well its the eternal debate, Is it better to be happy and ignorant, or sad and knowledgable. I dont have much choice in the matter, i think too much about things wether i want to or not =P

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I dont see how that follows from your pop music "metaphor." But again, I disagree with your reasoning. Why do you think that people who thoroughly enjoy these games have their head up their ass? Because you dont like em? Hey, Im not gonna make any assumptions about you just because we happen to disagree about what we find fun in video games. Its your choice to have your expectations unreasonably high. Me, I think AO is a great game that has some work to do, but its getting better every day. I think Funcom sincerely wants to make AO the best game they can. As long as I log on, and still have fun, then I will continue to play. When that stops happening I will move on to something else, or if something else comes out that is more appealing, I will play that.

I hardly think these message boards are a road map to the opinion of the playerbase. Just because you see a lot of whining here, it doesnt mean the majority of the players feel the same way. These forums are an opportunity to whine. They almost encourage it. You cant say that because you see whining here, that must mean then that the players must have their head up their a$$ because they are settling for a poor excuse for a game.

News flash. If you made the perfect MMORPG game, with perfect class balance and a ton of things to keep you playing, you would still have hundreds of people whining on an open forum that the developers may be reading. Its not because the game is bad, its because people want their char to be the best, and if they see what they percieve as imbalance (read balance) they will whine about it. Thats what you see here in 90% of the cases.

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Dont pick games because other people like them, pick games because you like them. And, if you dont like the game everyone else likes then it dosent make you less of a person, just a different person. Is that such a bad thing? Imagine if everyone was the same.... Like big companys wish we were, man they'd make so much more cash. Replace "game" with anything else in those last few sentences. This is gunna sound cheezy as hell, and i'm gunna loose half the people that read this far, but "Be yourself" lame i know, but its true, and if the truth is lame, then so be it. I, personally, would rather be lame than too afraid to accept truth when i see it.

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If people picked games because other people like them, they certainly wouldnt pick AO. And your second sentence is advice you should take for yourself. Just because there are a bunch of us who enjoy AO, it doesnt make you less of a person for not liking it. I have no quandry about my gaming enjoyment. Sounds like you might. Maybe you need to decide if MMORPGs are for you, because they arent for everyone.

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So in closing, this wasnt a flame, if you like anything that you think i insulted then know my intentions werent to insult. But if my opinions, as a totaly random annomous person are insulting you, then maby deep down you know i'm right?

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And I wasnt flaming you either. I didnt feel insulted by what you had to say, and I hope I didnt insult you. Its plain we disagree, but thats fine. People can disagree and still be civil

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And a final bit of wisdom, "Anyone will do anything with the proper motivation"

Yes I will debate that =P (I spell like a fool, and my grammar is just as bad, so if you want to discredit me using those things your going to have to try harder and at least post an opinion that counters mine.)

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Again, I found it hard to follow your argument because a lot of the conclusions you made didnt follow from your premises. The only retort I can make other than your arguments construction is, take your own advice. If you dont like this game that much, then do something else. Go outside or something.

Oh yeah, one more thing.... can I have your stuff? :)

Wow dude i didnt even read your post, sorry.

Heh raxel, they'll be here anytime now, just go buy your nike's and remember to drink the purple kool-aid, then drink the red kool-aid =P

See this is the nice thing about free society, we can agree to disagree and enjoy what we like to enjoy. Here's the problem I have with the first poster though, you MAY not like what I like, you MAY not agree with what I think is cool for a game, that's your decisions. But to tell people to pull their collective heads out of their collective arses and then say "but this isn't a flame" makes you hipocritical and your arguement worthless.

So what if I should like the game the way it is (not saying I do or don't) that's the nice thing about freedom of choice, you can CHOOSE to play or not play the game depending on whether or not you like it. If I like playing pong all day long that's MY choice and irrelevant as to the state of the game of Pong. If I like playing AO in its current state and could care less about whatever changes they make then that is MY choice, and while you may disagree as to whether or not changes make that big of difference I could really care less as it doesn't affect me. And I am NOT going to care unless there is something in it for me, some reason for me to agree with you. As it stands now, considering you have basically insulted the majority of the player base, I highly doubt your attempts to get people to do something would accomplish anything but distance you from the rest of the community (and make you come across as a troll).

In short don't try to force your personal feelings down other people's throats. If you have a logical and simple solution that is not based in feelings, cool convince us of it, but being insultory is hardly the way to go about anything. If you hate the game so badly then the best solution I would think is for you just to quit instead of annoying the rest of us by this ranting drivel based no where in fact. All in all WHO CARES, if it makes people happy then those who enjoy it aren't going to give one hoot what you think of them. Anyways enough of this post, as there are far more important things to deal with.

-Mltdwn

BTW: If you want to see any of this as a flame you're welcome to, that's based in opinion and opinion is purely subjective.

Wow i feel the flames a burning

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Originally posted by Essensea
Wow dude i didnt even read your post, sorry.

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Haha neither did I! :D

Good for us, and even better for you; writing something like that with the intention of the masses understanding/accepting it is a large undertaking. Best of luck with that in the future, when people like you will matter :)

That's why I get so burned up by this game being dumbed down to the common denominator patch after patch with 14.2 being the coup de grace.

With each successive patch the game becomes more and more of a mindless levelling drone that is accessible to the more and more mindless minions of the world. People who actually get a thrill out of getting another level get catered to, while those who look forward to the intricacies of exploring character development and equipment options to find alternate and/or effective variations get SITA.

It's like having a six course meal of the ethnic cuisine of your choice being transformed into a bowl of oatmeal because a lot of people just couldn't handle the sensory overload of the former but can digest oatmeal just fine.

I doubt the game designers at FunCom are proud of what they are turning their game into. I might very well be forced to take the same actions they are if I were getting the same pressure from the bean counters. A game that strings you along for a greater period of time is not necessarily a good game unless you are an accountant. This was a very good game at one time, technical bugs and all, it was kinda like the six course meal.

Can you taste the oatmeal, now?

I can't believe the number of people who get their knickers in a twist because someone likes a game that they dislike. You don't like the game?


DON'T PLAY IT!!!


Just quit telling those of us who do like the game to "take our head out of our a$$". It's very simple. People don't all like the same things. If it bothers you that others like what you don't like well tough. Get over it.

I used to like the game a lot more than now after all the watering down it's taken.

The game was really something special once and changes have made it less than special.

I voice my opinion of displeasure at the direction an evolving organism. I hope to affect the direction that the organism is evolving towards. This is my right.

If I never liked the game and saw no promise of ever liking it, then I would not be wasting my time.

I however see lace turning to flannel and hope in some small measure by _not_ keeping my mouth shut to prevent the decline.

It's not your right to try to silence me and others who don't want the game to become bland. In fact, it's our _duty_ as people who care about the game and have put many hours of our personal time into it to voice our opinions in support of what we feel is the proper direction.

Then it's up to the game designers and bean counts to duke it out over the final composition of the game.

If I don't like it at that point, I leave. I did my part. Simple, really.

Well written post and I agree with your metaphors and how these games draw crowds. I myself enjoy AO immensely. I have many many gripes with how it is run and I have many issues with the balance of this game compared to other MMORPGS. I also in argument for FunCom, consider how far we've come in a short time since it's launch. This game has easily improved 400% since last summer and I have no reason to believe it wont increase another 400% given time. For my money this is the most entertainment value I can find, bar none.

You have many good points and I admire you for being brave enough to share them, keep up the good work. We all have our reasons for playing and I think some people just got offended because your post comes off as sounding like "if you play this game and like it you are ignorant", even though I know that isn't what you were implying. :)

I dont think you guys/girls understand... If what i wrote is offensive to you, then you must ask yourself "Why is a total annomous strangers opinion about a Video Game so insulting to me." The msg board community is all too quick to cry flame or troll, insted of actually reading posts. I've seen intellegent ideas, albeit with horiable spelling and grammar and these ideas are collectively trashed, just on the basis of format. Also, why do you say "how dare you change my opinion, here is why you shouldnt try and change my opinion!" If your opinions are so unstable that I, Mr. Internet Nobody, can make you feel the need to justify them. Perhaps you need to re-evaluate your way of thinking. I honestly did not write an intentionaly insulting post and the only reason i'm replying to the people trying to get a rise out of me, is there might be a slim chance of them actualy listening to what i write, insted of simply interpreting my words into insults.

No i did not read the thesis dismantaling what i wrote, because i wasnt trying to insult/convert/change anyone. I'd say, from the responses, that half the people that read this agree with at least some of my points. If you think i was trashing mainstream media, in a way i guess i was, but if your honest, how much of mainstream media is really worth supporting. Not to mention, what is mainstream media really trying to sell us? I challenge everyone who reads this to do so with a truly open mind. I love the idea of a MMORPG, but as it stands, they are all crap. AO was amazing, i remember my first few weeks constantly discovering something new. But that can only last for so long, and once i actually got over my inital praising fit and saw the problems of the game. Disenchantment came quickly. Love is blind I guess and many of you DO love AO. IF so I really do wish you would try pen and paper role playing, or any game with a deep and involving plot, or even reading a book. I'm sure someones gunna reply "are you saying game players dont read books?" Sigh, I am not Agianst you guys, i'm for you 100% and if i wasn't would i be trying to open maby a few peoples eyes to better things?

Feel free to comment or post construstive critizisim, but dont take the time to tear what i say into tiny cyber bits (dont ya love that pun?), but actually write something thoughtful.


All that said i'm the goofiest person i know, and i love stupid immature jokes or absurd people. Nothing makes my day more than someone calling me a noobi, I just cant help but laugh. So feel free to be silly, just dont be confrontational.

I was in beta 4, i know how far its come... if i have any fault its that I wish AO was the game they advertised pre beta... The world where you could actually gain political (be level 1 but be a company president) power, through the intricate guild systerm. Did any of you know that originaly you would be able to create your own quests and use your own exp as a reward? Or that the guild system was going to be a more friendly version of the AC model. All the extra exp you got could only be used as rewards for doing tasks. The world they had planned was amazing, but i guess in the end it was allso unfesiable. You want some constructive criticism? Gah, fine =P

- Every zone PvP
- A working and detailed Faction system
- A real player run economy
- The ablity to gain interesting and unique things at any level
- The ablity to gain wealth without "hunting" monsters
- A deep political system with GM npc's leading each faction
- Many different character choices.
- Insted of a character becoming weaker per equal level monster, they should always remain the same.
- A detailed and interesting AI that "errors" on purpose, and uses a diverse amount of tactics
- The ablity for any pc to "take over" the job of any npc with the proper prerequsites.
- Player definable classes.
- Player definable races.
- A staff of many GM's able to change any part of the game world on the fly.
- Week long persistant game logs, to restore items or exp lost because of the company.
- Polls on the logon client, you cant log on if you dont anwser the poll.
- Devs actually read those polls =P
- A basic and never changing game structure that the players can always rely on not changing.
- The ablity for you to be trained in skills if you have the money.
- Many many different armor/clothing/weapon/utiliy/fluff items
- No camping mobs
- Static and dynamic quests.
- Things for large guilds to do, and things for the lone player to do.


I could keep going but my hands hurt =P

So i can offer good ideas, and i hope everyone that posts on this thread will post at least one more. And if you cant resist the urge to say "big tittied hookers" i will forgive you. =P

First post after this, "big tittied hookers!!!!"

lol

Ok you wanted constructive criticism here it is:

"Whats the point of all this? Well, untill the community gets its collective head out of its collective ass and quits playing these pathetic excueses for videogames. Then you have no right to expect anything more than the absolute baseline. Some of you are trying to pull your heads out, but many more are just too happy where they are, i mean what if the air out side the "ass" smells worse than inside? "

Well sorry that is an insult, for the most part I like the game the way it is (could use some minor balancing) but it ain't crumbling apart.

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"AO was amazing, i remember my first few weeks constantly discovering something new. But that can only last for so long, and once i actually got over my inital praising fit and saw the problems of the game. Disenchantment came quickly. Love is blind I guess and many of you DO love AO. IF so I really do wish you would try pen and paper role playing, or any game with a deep and involving plot, or even reading a book."

Um, I have done all those things (I have Friday and Saturday night RP sessions), and I will tell you that an MMORPG will NEVER be able to do this period. The reason being that there is not enough money in it for them to be able to hire the people necessarry to make it such. And I have yet to see a computer game with a deep and involving plot period. BG, BG-II, Icewind Dale, etc. etc. etc. All of these are just linear go point a to point b, hack and slash your way through it all. Daggerfall (and soon Morrowind) is a bit better but not really by much as you are stuck in a isolated world with just yourself and the computer AI to play with.

MU*s DO get to this point; however, MU*s have much more interaction from the admins and most of the MU*s admins are ALOT looser with the kick and ban policy. Almost to the point of kicking and booting anyone that goes OOC in public locations (usually getting 2 warnings first), does not go with the story-line, or does not RP up to their standard. Most MU*s also have an application process where you must create a logical and well explained account of your character and his past before they will even allow you access to the game.

MMORPGs can NEVER do this as they have to make money and if they were to go to that the user base would end up falling to about the size of MU*s and even the most popular MU*s have no more than about 600 users or so total. That does not make good business sense and they could not hope to recoup the costs required to operate and support the game and it's resources. And no developer/publisher would ever make such an unwise decision in terms of income and money. It is much safer to shoot for the lowest common denominator and bring in cash rather than try to make a revolutionary game. I mean after all how good is a revolutionary game if there is no one to play it, or it goes bankrupt because a majority of the gamers don't want to play it.

Look at the two most revolutionary games that were going to come out, they were both either cancelled or could not find a publisher. The most revolutionary being Middle-Earth On-line (Sierra) and Dawn (possible Vaporware). MEO was going to be by the RPer for the RPer. Sierra decided it wouldn't make any money and cancelled it, Dawn was the same way and they could never find a publisher. Why? Because there isn't money it. Look at the P&P market, there is hardly a market at all for P&P because so few people actually like them.

Now why is games such as AO, AC, and EQ so popular? Simple they are mindless entertainment. A majority of the gamers game for mindless entertainment alone. They could care less about an involving storyline or whatever else, they just want to have fun and it is a bit higher on the evolutionary scale than TV. Personally it is the same reason I play AO.

If I wanted "intelligent, well thought out entertainment, and heavy emphasis on story involvement" I would play a P&P RPG with my RL friends or I would read a book (Dashiell Hammett being one of my favorites right now) which I do about 5 days out of the week. The other 2 days I spend in mindless entertainment with AO. So yes my opinion is going to be different, no you will probably never change my opinion because AO is not that big of a timesink/avenue of intelligent entertainment for me. My only problem with your previous post is what I quoted at first because it is a insult to those of us who play it simply for mindless entertainment purposes/casual gamers (which I would say is probably the majority of the gamers). Personally though I think you should take your own advice and play a P&P RPG or read a book more often, you will probably find them far more entertaining on a intellectual level than you will ever find a MMORPG. You might even find the more time you spend doing other things the less and less the problems of AO really make that big of a deal.

-Mltdwn

No offence melt (i thought it was mid =P i'm blind), but if you never belive something is possable then it never will be possable. And it my slightly crude metaphore is insulting then i wonder how you manage not to have a heart attack going to the mall, or watching tv? I'm a realist/dreamer I know how much work the "perfect" online game would be but thats no reason to say it cant be done. I wonder what the first american settlers thought. I bet ya 10 bucks that populating a nation was alot harder than making a really good online rpg would be. =P You cant catch diseases or die of starvation programming and brainstorming. Well you can but Hygine is a key word =)


Oh hehe you didnt read all my posts did you? If ya did you'd have seen that as of now, i advocate PnP RPG's over online ones =) Its amazing what people can agree on but think they dont agree. =P

Bionitrous,

You're a freaking genius. Have you ever thought about being a game designer? I think you'd be great at it. Funcom is retarded for not putting you into a lead design position in their company just from your posts on here alone. Somehow I suspect they can't afford to pay you what you're worth though......

Oh yeah, the oatmeal vs. ethnic cuisine was brilliant. Did you just think of that on the spot or do you really think about AO as much as you deserve to get paid to? I hope you are successful at whatever you do to make a living.

Don't think for a minute that I'm being sarcastic, you kick ass.

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Originally posted by Raxle
Bionitrous,

You're a freaking genius. Have you ever thought about being a game designer? I think you'd be great at it. Funcom is retarded for not putting you into a lead design position in their company just from your posts on here alone. Somehow I suspect they can't afford to pay you what you're worth though......

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LOL, they are also retarded I guess for not hiring Carmack as a lead programmer. Heck, maybe they should just hire Molyneux, Mier, Wright, and Sawyer to codesign. That would help out quite a bit too, I reckon. Then they should take the servers down for the next 3 years while they gut the system and build a whole new game.

First time I've ever seen a person get his own private fanboy. :)